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does tom cheat on jerr?
no, he does not
no, he does not
Originally posted by dealer
does tom cheat on jerr?
no, he does not
Originally posted by dealer
does tom cheat on jerr?
no, he does not
Originally posted by gonaads
BULL SH!T that was not a short cut. And the battle was presented. That was the only way otherwise how would they have found the Keymaker, Hmmmm???.
Originally posted by dealer
the true way, and not the way that the devil presents.
as you saw, after the kiss, everything that followed went exactly according to the plan of the matrix.
neo submitted to the devil, and is now a puppet of him
Originally posted by gonaads
Dealer is hung up by a kiss... I think he had a BAD experience with a situation like that and it has been drilled into his mind that it is a BAD thing.
Originally posted by dealer
the true way, and not the way that the devil presents.
as you saw, after the kiss, everything that followed went exactly according to the plan of the matrix.
neo submitted to the devil, and is now a puppet of him
Originally posted by dealer
ha, no, I am the most liberal minded of any man you have ever met when it comes to these things.
I am talking about this relationship.
and this relationship was compromised.
that is exactly what was presented in this script.
I have no personal beliefe on fidelity...
but this relationship was forsaken, and neo failed.
he cannot be the true savior, though he can be the fake savior that the matrix made up
Originally posted by Sazar
everything that happened before the kiss also went to plan else he would not be there in the first place...
dealer your point still makes no sense..
you are implying the DEVIL... there is no devil in greek mythology... a god of the underworld perhaps but hades is not all bad... and certainly not more so than Hera..
if you are holding on to the though that neo is bad based on christian beliefs I think perhaps you are following the wrong line of thought...
Originally posted by dealer
ya, nor is the devil in any society all bad...the divil in our society is a tool of god.
no, I am not holding that neo is bad at all
I am holding that he cannot be the one because he cannot hold his ground when it counts against the people that he loves
Originally posted by dealer
ya, nor is the devil in any society all bad...the devil in our society is a tool of god.
no, I am not holding that neo is bad at all...he is a very good man
I am holding that he cannot be the one...he has failed the test
and my point makes plenty of sense.
why do YOU think this scene was put into this movie?
can you think of one good reason?
no
the only reason this scene could possibly be written into this script is to show that neo cannot possibly be the savior of mankind, for he is a puppet that bends to the whim of the matrix...even at disregard for the women he loves
Originally posted by gonaads
Ooooh really... Then if that is true he should have let her die. Right?
Would you let mankind/zion be destroyed over one kiss?
Originally posted by dealer
ya, nor is the devil in any society all bad...the devil in our society is a tool of god.
no, I am not holding that neo is bad at all...he is a very good man
I am holding that he cannot be the one...he has failed the test
and my point makes plenty of sense.
why do YOU think this scene was put into this movie?
can you think of one good reason?
no
the only reason this scene could possibly be written into this script is to show that neo cannot possibly be the savior of mankind, for he is a puppet that bends to the whim of the matrix...even at disregard for the women he loves
Originally posted by gonaads
The scene was put in to show that Neo is in fact ONLY HUMAN and not a program or a machine.
Originally posted by dealer
yes, he absolutely should have let her die.
he kept her alive at the cost of humanity.
HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS IS THE SAVIOR?
it's not
and no, you don't let mankind get destroyed over one kiss...you walk on water, you part the sea, you do whatever is necessary to keep your truth with the women you love.
this was not this or that, this was a this or try something else.
her death was a this or that.
you save mankind, or you take the selfish path, and save the women you like alot...he does not love her, he loves having her