Alright, since there's a proper thread for this now, I'll post a chat I had with a friend I had about the movie. It's fairly long and some of it is just senseless rambling...
[09:51] <+Tack|> ahhh yeah.
[09:52] <+Tack|> i need to see it again.
[09:52] <+Tack|> 1st time was just like......
[09:52] <@[e]Kr0m> whoa
[09:52] <+Tack|> yeah
[09:52] <@[e]Kr0m> =]
[09:52] <@[e]Kr0m> information overload
[09:52] <+Tack|> mixed with my mind being completely
blown.
[09:52] <@[e]Kr0m> aye
[09:53] <+Tack|> actually i would've been happier w/
less kungfu.
[09:53] <+Tack|> or at least shorter fights.
[09:54] <@[e]Kr0m> the fact that he stands there and
fights as he does, shows how taken he gets in the
situation, normally if he stopped and realized it,
he could destroy them like he did with smith in
the 1st one
[09:55] <+Tack|> yeah
[09:55] <+Tack|> that's the thing.....
[09:55] <+Tack|> remember at the end of the 1st
film......
[09:55] <@[e]Kr0m> but its good eye candy/effects =]
[09:55] <+Tack|> when agent smith attacks him
[09:56] <+Tack|> and he ends up blocking all his
attacks w/ one arm
[09:56] <+Tack|> w/ the other behind his back?
[09:56] <@[e]Kr0m> yar
[09:56] <+Tack|> and he's moving super fast
[09:56] <+Tack|> like the agents do
[09:56] <+Tack|> what happened to that?
[09:56] <+Tack|> that was my one issue w/ the new
flick.
[09:57] <@[e]Kr0m> well, id say he'd having to be
moving pretty fast in the fight scene with all the
smiths, but it'd have to be slowed down for us to
be able to see it
[09:57] <@[e]Kr0m> =]
[09:57] <+Tack|> perhaps.
[09:57] <@[e]Kr0m> ...
[09:58] <+Tack|> definitly looking forward to the
final movie.
[09:58] <@[e]Kr0m> how would the oracle know what he
dreams, since supposedly when they arent in the
matrix its real life
[09:58] <@[e]Kr0m> or is it real life.
[09:58] <+Tack|> how does neo have powers in the
real world?
[09:59] <@[e]Kr0m> exactly
[09:59] <+Tack|> yeah
[09:59] <+Tack|> wow i never thought of that
[09:59] <+Tack|> what you said
[09:59] <+Tack|> omg
[09:59] * +Tack| 's mind just blew...again.
[10:00] <+Tack|> hmm.
[10:00] <@[e]Kr0m> since he was brought up being fed
by the matrix or AI's system, is he a part of the
matrix or AI himself to be able to do what he can
do?
[10:00] <@[e]Kr0m> does this mean does each being
being fed by the matrix have this power but arent
able to release it
[10:01] <+Tack|> i need to see it again just for the
speech in the room w/ all the TVs.
[10:01] <@[e]Kr0m> the architect
[10:01] <+Tack|> that was the big mind blowing part,
for me.
[10:01] <+Tack|> yes.
[10:01] <@[e]Kr0m> chat with the oracle is good too
[10:02] <@[e]Kr0m> chat with that french guy is good
too
[10:02] <+Tack|> yeah...but i had suspicions already
about the oracle.
[10:02] <+Tack|> the architect i was not expecting.
[10:02] <@[e]Kr0m> right
[10:02] <@[e]Kr0m> hmm
[10:02] <+Tack|> oh and btw
[10:02] <@[e]Kr0m> ?
[10:02] <+Tack|> go watch the 1st matrix
[10:02] <+Tack|> and
[10:03] <+Tack|> when neo gets captured...i think it
is
[10:03] <+Tack|> remember when the camera is looking
all all the tv screens?
[10:03] <+Tack|> and then goes thru one?
[10:03] <@[e]Kr0m> in the 1st?
[10:03] <+Tack|> those screens should look familiar
now.
[10:03] <+Tack|> yeah
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> when the agents are questioning
him?
[10:04] <+Tack|> yeah
[10:04] <+Tack|> right at the beginning
[10:04] <+Tack|> of that scene*
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> hmm
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> k
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> been meaning to see it again
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> wish i had the dvd tho, only the
vhs
[10:04] <@[e]Kr0m> been holding out on the dvd,
waiting for the set
[10:04] <+Tack|> =/
[10:04] <+Tack|> yeah good call.
[10:05] <+Tack|> i bought the dvd a couple years ago.
[10:05] <+Tack|> ok.
[10:05] <+Tack|> later
[10:05] *** Tack| is now known as Tack|bath
[10:07] <@[e]Kr0m> =]
[10:13] <@[e]Kr0m> symbolic eh, that the architec,
supposedly master program of all, is male, and the
oracle, helping the humans in a sense. is female,
the mother.
[10:16] <@[e]Kr0m> tack
[10:16] <+Tack|bath> ?
[10:16] <@[e]Kr0m> ok
[10:16] <@[e]Kr0m> question
[10:16] <+Tack|bath> k
[10:17] <@[e]Kr0m> you have the matrix,
[10:17] <@[e]Kr0m> you have outside the matrix or
zion or reallife = 3
[10:17] <@[e]Kr0m> um
[10:17] <@[e]Kr0m> could 'real life' as they know it
or call it
[10:18] <@[e]Kr0m> be some sort of backup program or
alternate program running to fight against the
oracles work of 'freeing' the humans from their
slavery
[10:19] <+Tack|bath> hmm....
[10:19] <@[e]Kr0m> question #2
[10:19] <@[e]Kr0m> Did the AI REALLY take over the
world.
[10:19] <@[e]Kr0m> do they still RUN the world
[10:19] <@[e]Kr0m> or is it actually humans in power
[10:20] <+Tack|bath> hmm.....
[10:20] <@[e]Kr0m> keeping the average 'joe' in a
matrix for control
[10:20] <+Tack|bath> interesting theory.
[10:20] <+Tack|bath> was I was wondering about is
this....and it's not deep like your thoughts....jus
t interesting....
[10:20] <@[e]Kr0m> it was said, something to the
effect...
[10:20] <@[e]Kr0m> what does something or someone
with power want the most... more power
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> so the machines use humans
combined with a form of fusion for energy right?
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> like a battery
[10:21] <@[e]Kr0m> or do they
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> well my question is this....
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> so do all the squidies and
everything have human "batteries" inside them?
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> wait no
[10:21] <@[e]Kr0m> we still dont know if morpheus or
neo's outside state isnt still some form of another
level of the matrix
[10:21] <+Tack|bath> n/m
[10:22] <+Tack|bath> yeah
[10:22] <+Tack|bath> just forget everything i just
said.
[10:22] <+Tack|bath> got i need more sleep.
[10:22] <@[e]Kr0m> what we seen in the first movie
of the human's energy gathering might just be what
the zionist's have been told, what the top dog,
lets them believe or made them believe
[10:22] <+Tack|bath> your thoughts are intersting
tho.....a path i had not considered.
[10:23] <+Tack|bath> that the "real" world is not
real.
[10:23] <@[e]Kr0m> like my thought before, all this,
what we have seen in this two movies, are all
still in a Matrix
[10:23] <@[e]Kr0m> this=these
[10:24] <@[e]Kr0m> and that over all, end control,
is more or less by human/s(who have total power or
control)
[10:24] <@[e]Kr0m> that run the Matrix
[10:25] <@[e]Kr0m> these movies could be about the
rebels, zionists, slowly realizing this, fighting
this ultimate control
[10:25] <+Tack|bath> yeah
[10:25] <@[e]Kr0m> er well, thats exactly what
they're about i suppose hehe
[10:25] <+Tack|bath> well....but if it turned out to
be humans at the helm of all this
[10:25] <+Tack|bath> wow....interesting theory.
[10:26] <@[e]Kr0m> its kinda like the lessons of
morpheus to neo
[10:26] <+Tack|bath> (i don't believe i've said
"interesting" enough)
[10:26] <@[e]Kr0m> dont believe what you see
[10:26] <@[e]Kr0m> what IS 'real"
[10:26] * +Tack|bath gets out the thesaurus and
looks up "interesting"
[10:26] <+Tack|bath> yeah....
[10:27] <+Tack|bath> but then why would the access
codes to zions mainframe be so important to the
machines?
[10:27] <+Tack|bath> if the "real" world was just a
backup program....
[10:27] <@[e]Kr0m> could it be that its one step
closer to knowing the truth?
[10:28] <+Tack|bath> i think they definitely have
the ability to turn everything on it's ear w/ the
final movie.
[10:28] <+Tack|bath> i dunno if they have the nuts
to do that though.
[10:29] <+Tack|bath> esp. considerng that they
already did, to an extent, in reloaded.
[10:29] <@[e]Kr0m> zion is like a program or groups
of programs or human minds(rebels) that maybe the
oracle is trying to set free
[10:30] <+Tack|bath> i also wanna see how they
handle the oracle.
[10:30] <@[e]Kr0m> the architect has his programs
set to destroy the oracle's work.. the freedom of
the avg. joe
[10:30] <+Tack|bath> seeing as how she did before
her scenes for the 3rd movie were shot
[10:30] <+Tack|bath> did = died
[10:30] <+Tack|bath> supposedly
[10:30] <@[e]Kr0m> kinda like how a anti-virus
program works against a virus or whatever
[10:31] <+Tack|bath> i'm curious what they're going
to do w/ the agent smith in the real world thing
[10:32] <@[e]Kr0m> those two main points, of where
the oracle knows what neo dreams, and the end
where neo stops the sentinals, is what makes me
think that theres a strong chance 'zion' is still
a matrix of some type
[10:32] <@[e]Kr0m> oh yeah, and smith being in 'real
world'
[10:33] <+Tack|bath> see neo said he "sensed" the
squidies
[10:33] <@[e]Kr0m> and where neo is told by the
architect, he's the 6th version
[10:34] <+Tack|bath> yeah
[10:34] <@[e]Kr0m> just how many times has the
matrix been done... what we;ve been told now, is 6
[10:35] <@[e]Kr0m> so maybe, the humans are slaves
of some sort, like they explain in the first
movie, but is it really energy for the AI
[10:36] <@[e]Kr0m> the matrix owner or god doesnt
give the avg joe a choice
[10:36] <@[e]Kr0m> the oracle is making the avg joe
see choices
[10:37] <+Tack|bath> it does all sort of tie back in
to the 1st tho
[10:37] <@[e]Kr0m> well maybe not the avg joe, but
the ones that can see clearly, think better than
the rest... neo
[10:37] <+Tack|bath> like
[10:37] <+Tack|bath> remember during the "humans are
the disease of this planet" speech?
[10:37] <@[e]Kr0m> yeah, that was good
[10:37] <+Tack|bath> agent smith to morpheus
[10:37] <@[e]Kr0m> one of my favorite statements =]
[10:38] <+Tack|bath> he was saying about how the
previous matrix or 2 (i forget) was a failure
[10:38] <+Tack|bath> because the humans kept trying
to wake up
[10:38] <@[e]Kr0m> right
[10:38] <@[e]Kr0m> so maybe...
[10:38] <@[e]Kr0m> the zion level, is like a backup
program
[10:39] <@[e]Kr0m> to the ones that are 'trying' to
wake up
[10:40] <+Tack|bath> the only problem i find w/ that
theory is that it completely pulls the rug out
from under the 1st 2 movies.....plus the machines
are putting a lot of effort into trying to squash
zion.....
[10:40] <@[e]Kr0m> correct
[10:40] <@[e]Kr0m> destroy the ones that are closer
to becoming ultimately free
[10:41] <@[e]Kr0m> zion=backup program for the ones
closer to becoming free, knowing the ultimate
truth. the sentinals are designed to destroy zion,
and destroy the zionists, ulimately killing the
humans that are close to knowing the truth and
becoming free
[10:42] <+Tack|bath> but if they are, in fact, still
hardwired in.....
[10:42] <@[e]Kr0m> if these people become ultimately
free, then god or the top dog or human that
controls the matrix will lose total power
[10:42] <+Tack|bath> couldn't the machines just kill
them?
[10:42] <@[e]Kr0m> in a sense, yes, but he needs
them for something.
[10:43] <@[e]Kr0m> ooh, nm, i see your point
[10:43] <+Tack|bath> i dunno
[10:43] <@[e]Kr0m> hmm
[10:45] <@[e]Kr0m> 3rd movie should be good.
[10:45] <+Tack|bath> k then...
[10:45] <+Tack|bath> yeah i can't wait.
[10:45] <+Tack|bath> did they release a date yet?
[10:45] <@[e]Kr0m> Nov
[10:45] <@[e]Kr0m> potentially 5th
[10:45] <@[e]Kr0m> hmm
[10:45] <@[e]Kr0m> still thinking if zion is another
level of the matrix yet
[10:46] <@[e]Kr0m> if so, why not kill the humans in
zion in their pod or real life state
[10:46] <@[e]Kr0m> or
[10:46] <@[e]Kr0m> nah
[10:46] <@[e]Kr0m> nvm
[10:46] <+Tack|bath> lol
[10:46] <@[e]Kr0m> brain hurts now
[10:47] <@[e]Kr0m> or
[10:47] <@[e]Kr0m> he doesnt want to destroy
[10:47] <@[e]Kr0m> since these rebels are finding
holes in his matrix
[10:47] <@[e]Kr0m> and he needs to know these
imperfections
[10:48] <@[e]Kr0m> so as he goes along, rebels find
a hole in the matrix, god fixes it, fires up an
upgraded matrix
[10:48] <@[e]Kr0m> and so on
[10:49] <@[e]Kr0m> so far, supposedly, this has
happened 6 times
[10:49] <@[e]Kr0m> is the creator just trying to
create a perfect matrix
[10:49] <@[e]Kr0m> in 'hopes' of total control over
humans
[10:50] <@[e]Kr0m> ultimate power.
[10:51] <@[e]Kr0m> however the third movie works
out, i still think, for now, that a human is
behind all this seeking total control.
[10:51] <@[e]Kr0m> not AI
[10:52] <@[e]Kr0m> AI is just his tool.
[10:58] <+Tack|bath> i hate to say it but i fear that they are going to take the least interesting route.
[10:58] *** Tack|bath is now known as Tack|
[10:59] <+Tack|> and have it that neo is in some way "special" in the real world as well
[10:59] <+Tack|> and he leads the humans to triumph over the machines, or at least to co-inhabit the earth peacefully.
[11:06] <@[e]Kr0m> heh
[11:06] <@[e]Kr0m> or it could be just to computer programers having fun against each other
[11:06] <@[e]Kr0m> two*
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> one is hacking the other
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> each other
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> going back and forth
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> in a fight to win
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> hehe
[11:07] <@[e]Kr0m> its all just a game!