Mozilla Guide please

Discussion in 'Windows Desktop Systems' started by Perris Calderon, Jan 10, 2003.

  1. Perris Calderon

    Perris Calderon Moderator Staff Member Political User

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    Allright, as always, I'm willing to break my box for the greater good.

    I have noticed mozilla has a cult following, so I decided to give this monster a more then casual effort.

    So far, this browser is clearly slower then ie...maybe it will pick up, we'll see, but as of yet, no, pages do not load faster, they load slower.

    let's not discuss that on this thread, that remains for other threads.

    what I need is a guide, so I can become versed with this browser more quickly.

    1) for instance, mozilla cannot find my favorites folder, so how do I get that in?

    2) How on earth to I customize the toolbar...DO NOT TELL ME IT'S NOT CUSTOMIZEABLE, BECAUSE THEN OF COURSE I CANNOT POSSIBLY CONTINUE TO USE THIS MONSTER.

    3) I also need to shrink the toolbar, shrink the address bar, blah blah...so although this goes with custonize the toolbar, I absolutely need to do this.

    4) the addblocker is having absolutely no luck with banners, so thell me how to use that

    5) someone said skins, oh man does this need a skin, so tell me about that

    someone said side bar

    this is very intriguing to me...tell me how to make this sidebar with other sites on it.

    I allready make a sidebar in ie, simply by resizing the first window to sidebar size

    if there is a better way to make a sidebar in mozilla, tell me how to do it.

    So far, it definately loads pages slower then ie, so tell me what adjustments to make concerning this.

    And, any other tips, with good step by step instructions would be appreciated.

    I'm gonna stay with this browser for at least a week, so try to help me out.

    I will tell everyone right now, there is no way I can stay with mozilla, as adshield does not work in it, and there is no way I can browse without adshield.

    never the less, I'm giving this a go

    I hope you can help
     
  2. Perris Calderon

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    allright, I know I said we'd discuss pageloading on another thread, but I have to put this here.

    unless it's due to my internet tweakdi...I don't know,

    mozilla is actually seconds slower in side by sied comparisons in speed.

    having both browsers open at the same time, and using a stop watch, going to new websites from each browser, it doesn't matter if I go there first or last with mozilla.

    mozilla takes from 1 to two seconds longer to load on this dsl right now.

    I'll try the same experiment on a slow connection in about an hour.

    but this is far from a fast browser, mozilla is a slow browser.. (so far...things may change)
     
  3. Perris Calderon

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    all right, I'm getting used to this gui.

    I'm not so sure what is at all special about these tabs.

    ie has these tabs in the taskbar.

    anyone that wants to, can move the task bar to the top of the screen, and there you go, ie tabs on top, just like these tabs on top

    as a matter if fact, many people think the task bar belongs up on top.

    I have to figure out how to get my onw link in the sidebar, so it sits in that little window...that'll be cool
     
  4. Perris Calderon

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    I hope someone can tell me how to unloxk the toolbar, so I can consolodate all of this wasted space.

    I need to make the address bar about 1/5 the size, and I need to get these buttons all onto one line.

    I also need to get rid of the text under the buttons of this toolbar
     
  5. Perris Calderon

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    ok, got rid of most of then wasted buttons, got rid of the useless text under the buttons.

    only thing left to make me happy is shrinking the addressbar, and moving everything up to one toolbar.

    then I'll be happy with this little experiment.

    oh...I chnged the skin too.

    not a big deal, as I'm making this skin as small as possible either way
     
  6. Perris Calderon

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    also, is there anyway to auto hide this toolbar?

    this is possible in ie when in f11

    I can't figure out how to do it with mozilla in f11

    is it doable?
     
  7. Alan

    Alan its only fun

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    Hi Dealer,

    /me watching this thread with interest

    I have sent out a sos to all the Mozilla fans.you should be getting some replies soon........


    Good luck with your trial of Mozilla, but me thinks it wont be on your pc for to much longer :D

    Alan
     
  8. Perris Calderon

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    thanx for the help alen

    ya, there's nothing here I don't have on ie, and it's much slower.

    though when I get that website on the sidebar thing happening, that'll be nice, but once again, it'll be the same thing as a small window in ie...a little more convienient,so I'd like to try it.

    anyway, I'm so far convinced this mozilla fraternatiy is just a "I'll show those microsfot people, I will I will" brotherhood, and not much more.
     
  9. Alan

    Alan its only fun

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    lmao:D

    you will also get the "Security Security" issue thrown at you as well:D
     
  10. Perris Calderon

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    Yes, but everybody knows that I know about the security arguments...both sides.

    I'd also like someone to tell me why this program wants to open netscape navgator???

    am I missing someothing here?

    is this program associated with netscape?

    omg, I hope not
     
  11. Perris Calderon

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    and someone tell me how to import my favorites from ie.

    this program can't find my favorite folder, so I have to import it manually.

    anyone know how to do dat?
     
  12. Perris Calderon

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    and I use the "controll enter" to enter all that "www.com" stuff

    do not tell me this browser doesn't have something equivelant...please do not tell me that
     
  13. Perris Calderon

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    omg...I just went to the theme site, and this is obviously based on the netscape browser

    omfg

    ok...I'll keep trying anyway...but I don't like it
     
  14. SPeedY_B

    SPeedY_B I may actually be insane.

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    No.
    Netscape use the mozilla source code to make their browser.
     
  15. Alan

    Alan its only fun

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    Free your mind Grasshopper and you will be able to leave the Temple

    :D :D
     
  16. Perris Calderon

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    thanx speedy, that's a relief

    tell me how to import my favorites folder, I cna't get to it in mozilla.

    also, tell me how to do the contoll enter to address websites if it's in there (I hope so)

    also, did you ever time this against ie?

    on my box, this browser loads pages seconds slower then ie

    maybe it's some tweakin I did on my box, like the fastnet 99

    is this proggy using my hosts file?

    if not, how do I get it to do that.
     
  17. Perris Calderon

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    also, could you post your source for the ntfs side bar you have...I really want to get that in here
     
  18. Kevin Ar18

    Kevin Ar18 OSNN Senior Addict

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    That's one of the reasons I don't use Mozilla either. I keep a list of blocked stuff in adshield which, of course, only works in IE.

    You may also want to try Phoenix instead. It uses the Mozilla engine, but has a different looking interface that you can customize a little easier. Also, you can get a skin that looks somewhat similar to IE (although I had some trouble installing it).
    http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/phoenix-release-notes.html#install

    When Netscape developed their new browser, they decided to do it open source style. Mozilla is that project. There are even people from Netscape who are working on the Mozilla project. Every now and then, as newer versions of Mozilla are developed, Netscape will take the souce code, make a few small modifications and release it as the "Netscape" browser.

    This is actually one of the reasons you will find numerous other browsers based off of Mozilla. They take the part of the code that renders the pages and add a customized interface or modify the current one. Some examples are Netscape, K-Meleon, and Phoenix, which are all based on the Mozilla code.


    The main reason I have Mozilla is because I used it to test whether my html and javascript were compatable in that browser. Looking at it from the perspective of one who messed around with javsacript and html, there are a number of technical benefits to the browser. I won't go into all the details, but suffice to say my interest mainly started because of development reasons. At present, many pages still only work best in IE. I also still prefer to use IE for browsing the internet.
     
  19. Kevin Ar18

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    This has always automatically worked for me without any intervention, so it does seem odd that it's not working.
    On my computer, in Mozilla, I can find the bookmarks at Bookmarks -> Imported IE Favorites.
    To import them yourself go to Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks...
    In the window that pops up, click on File -> New -> Bookmark
    Then enter a name and then the location on your hardrive of the favorites folder. That should add your IE favorites.


    If you just type in something like "google.com" it will take you to to "http://www.google.com" in both IE and Mozilla. If you need CTRL+Enter for another reason, then I'm not sure how it's done in Mozilla (if it even can be).


    I did some quick comparisons using IE and Phoenix, and got varied results. I noticed that the pages show up around the same time as each other (maybe a second or so apart), but Phoenix takes longer to show up the little individual elements such as the images.


    I believe all internet enabled programs will make use of the hosts file.
     
  20. Perris Calderon

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    good information kevin...At the end of my little dialougue, I have some information for you, and adshield

    thanx for all the time you spent with information for me.

    ya, this browser finds an empty file when it looks for my favorites file. a mozilla glitch, as no other internet program I use has any difficulty finding the folder .

    also, I've timed this now on a slow connection as well, and the slowness of this browser is remarkable...there is a 7 second differance!!!

    I've tried giving mozilla every advantage, loading the page second, and things like this.

    still, mozilla is a turtle

    that's not bearable, and I will not be able to experiment too much longer, unless I can find a resson for the diffearance, and compensate.

    I'm almost positive it's not using my host file, and that is probably the differance...huge

    I'm thinking it's also not using the temporary internet file, as gifs just ooze in, instead of poping in...very annoying.

    unless I can reoslve these issues, this thing is going in the trash fast.

    oh, and yes, there is a huge differance between just entering the address, and using control+enter.

    control+enter is an instantaneous address completion by wrote.

    just entering the address is differant, and a search is initiated and failed before the proper pre and suffixes are added.

    now for my adshield tip, and the main reason I must have it.

    with addshield, I can simply right click logos, highlight the whole url.

    then, the logo is not only eliminated, but the area is shrunk to 0x0.

    this means a huge addition in page content on all of the sites that I do this.

    some of these logos are 2x15 on my screen.

    that means 2x15 inches of extra content.

    this I cannot live without, now that I'm used to it.

    try it, excellant.

    for instance, in the top left, the ntfs logo;

    right click, hit add to block list

    now, you must highlight the whole url, otherwise other buttons will also be blocked.

    click ok, and there you go, an inch more content

    addicting, once you get used to it