Bush or Kerry?

It does when an english speaking/writeing person, corrects what I write, and doesn't respect what i write. I respect people on this forum and therefore I dont diss theyr writingskills.
Don't want to be a thight ass on this but I have my princips.
He altso makes fun of all you other english speakers, that saw the post had a private little laff, and did nothing more about it, he made a post on in.
and that says more about him than my post said about me.

and who are you, God?

I'll post whatever I will on whatever thread I will, and only if an admin askes me to stop, I'll stop...

had to modify, it was too ironic.. :eek:
 
Cool it, everyone. Keep it on topic.
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have to clear something up for those of you that beleive the wealthy owned media when they try tell us that the republican party is somehow better at defending this country then the democratic party;

President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media.

the following is a partial log - even partial, it is incredible...this list of accomplishments against terrorism that the Clinton Administration gets no credit or even recognition.

-- sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

great those republicans, don't you think?

-- sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

great those republicans, don't you think?

-- sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

great those republicans, don't you think?

When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.

wow

--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

wow

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

wow

-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

wow...great those republicans who apposed it, don't you think?

-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.

wow

-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

wow

-- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

wow

-- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

wow

-- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries

wow

-- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

wow

-- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

wow...look at that...his obsession with bin laden...what insight did this president have?

-- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

wow


-- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

wow

Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.

unfathomable

-- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.


-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.

unfathomable

-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.

unfathomable

-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.

unfathomable

-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.

unfathomable

-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.

unfathomable

-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.

unfathomable

-- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.

unfathomable

-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.

unfathomable

this man can not be in charge of America
 
Perris - you should be a front runner for the democratic party. You seem to come up with these facts that no one else knows about except you. Must be coming from your own imagination like theirs ...
 
WHen you have one thing on your mind you can find lots of things...just like I found the Quotes from the Clinton Aides...this topic will go round and round and round
 
and to add I think the best way you can look at this is the most recent south park which is usually just a joke but it made sense this time.

Why would you want to vote when you have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwhich because almost every election is between some moron and some idiot and honestly that's just about the best comparison to Bush and Kerry I have heard
 
Tuffgong4 said:
...this topic will go round and round and round
Which is exactly why I gave up on this stuff! :D Doesn't matter who gets in really, nothing much will change...and that's a fact you can bank on.
 
I can't belive, as an European, that Americans will vote for a guy that:



From:http://www.thousandreasons.org/



Honesty

Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about his sex life. George Bush is applauded for overthrowing two governments (three, if you count Haiti) based on deception. He lied about the threat of Iraq, he lied about the cost, and he lied about the expected outcome. He lied about the purpose of his tax cuts, he lied about education, the environment, energy, and his own past. He lied about the cost of Medicare. Everything he says is choreographed to achieve political gain without consideration for the truth. In Bush's administration, truth takes a back seat to power every time.

War

History will not be kind to George Bush. In two years he overthrew two governments, and has his eyes on several others. He has ignored the UN, the US public, and 90% of the rest of the world, including millions who protested in the streets. He has violated the US Constitution and international law by attacking Iraq when it was not a threat to anyone. In his empire-building march across the Middle East, he has wasted the lives of thousands. History will wonder why no one stopped him.

Economy

As soon as people saw that Bush might get elected in 2000, the economy started to fall, helped by Bush's talk of recession. He, of course, tried to blame Clinton. Since then, the economy has dipped in and out of recession, a million jobs have evaporated, deficits are soaring, and Bush's only response is to cut taxes for the wealthy. Every few months he promises that jobs are just around the corner -- if Congress will only approve my tax cuts -- but month after month job statistics give substance to the lie. Bush seems bent on destroying the very institution he heads.

Liberties

Yes, we need to catch terrorists, but we don't need a police state to do it. John Ashcroft has shown no concern for personal liberties, only for catching the "bad guys." Is it really necessary for the government to know what books you read? Is it necessary to read your e-mail? Must librarians be gagged? This slide toward Fascism is as scary as anything else Bush does. And rather than scale back the most egregious aspects of the act, Bush wants to make it even more intrusive.

Taxes

No one likes taxes, but we all pay them in hopes that the government will provide the services we need and want: schools, highways, bridges, and security. Bush, like Reagan before him, intends to choke the government down to size. By cutting taxes, primarily for the wealthy, deficits soar and nothing is left for education, the environment, social programs (including Social Security) or necessary regulation of corporations. After spending $800 billion a year (by independent estimates) on a bloated military, there is no money for books, no money for highways, not even money for the soldiers who must fight his wars. There is no money. But schools must remain open, roads must be repaired, and the sick must find treatment; all this is left to the state and local governments, which are now raising taxes, firing teachers, and cutting services.

Environment

One of his first acts as president was to raise the allowable level of arsenic in drinking water. Since then, we have seen a continuous assault on the forests, the air, the water, and the land. Global warming threatens to wreak havoc on our economy, our food supply, and our social fabric, but Bush only listens to the scientists on the political right, and they see no reason to panic. Don't worry, be happy.

International Relations

When you're the strongest nation by a factor of ten, you don't need to play nice. You can be a bully, and if other countries don't like it, too bad. Under Bush, we've seen this arrogant attitude regularly. He walked away from Kyoto, from the land mine treaty, from the international women's rights treaty, and the international criminal court. He ignored the pleas of long-time allies to avoid war, insulting them childishly. It will be decades before we can regain the respect of the world.

Secrecy

This is the most secret administration in memory. Decisions are clearly being made by corporations and far-right interest groups, but Bush refuses to admit it or to say who is behind such important policies as energy. Government can only be trusted in the sunlight, and this government hides at undisclosed locations.

Military

We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined. While most of us appreciate the sense of security a strong military brings, we also question the wisdom of such spending when we have no clear enemy. Iraq was overthrown for about $100 billion. We spend four times that every year on the military. And now Bush wants to build a magical missile shield that no one believes will actually work. Oh, it will cost many billions, and a few select corporations will get rich, but meanwhile we have other needs, desperate needs, that are not being met. We don't even have health care for all our children. We can't even provide breakfast for all our children, or books, or decent schools. But we can kill bad guys better than anyone. And if Bush has his way, we will soon be dropping tactical nuclear bombs on them.

Corruption

The line between corporations and the government has disappeared during the Bush administration. Corporations give money to elect Bush, then Bush forms policies and rules that favor those same corporations. This is nowhere more evident than in the energy industry, which has sent millions to Bush in the form of campaign contributions, then received billions in return. Think Bush, Cheney, Bechtel, Halliburton, Schultz.





Just because he is supposed to be the "stonger" leader. You always narrow it down to charracteristics. Hey saddam was a strong leader too, that doesn't make him your number one guy.

too be continued
 
I can't belive that you belive bush, when he says that he makes america a safer place.

Before 9/11 what was the last attack on the US. ? (on american soil, not foreign us. soil, that wasn't comitted by an american..)

That was in 1846, thats 158 yars, with NO attacks on American soil, and then bush gets to play president. And the horrors of 9/11 wash over your nation.

(wich many, with verry good evidence belive is a inside job, these are among them:

From: http://letsroll911.org/links.html

911 Researchers

911 Skeptics Blogspot - #1 911 Site! - Great Work Nico Haupt!
See Screenshot from Alexa!-This makes him the 500th Most Popular Site on the WWW!

Wing TV - Victor Thorn - Lisa Guliani
Conspiracy Planet
Police State 21
NOGW
Unmask.dk
Four Winds
Physics.org
Stand Down
Serendipity
PlaguePuppy.com
CooperativeResearch.net
911research.wtc7.net
Killtown 9-11 Links
TheWebFairy.com
Awoken
German Scientists help America on 911
Signs of the Times
911 Questions
911 Truth Radio
From the Rabbit Hole
Vox Fux
Stop Bush Now!



Additional Links from 911-Uncovered.com
http://www.geocities.com/carbonprobe
http://www.geocities.com/sept911treason
http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise3b/american_airlines_flight_77
http://www.geocities.com/forthetruth911
http://www.daywilliams.com/911hoax.html
http://www.daywilliams.com/how_did_WTC.html
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/sortuminen.htm
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/towerblast.html
http://www.sterlins.com/sept-11th-patriot-day/Facts-Fiction.html
http://www.stargods.org/TheRealMatrix.htm
http://www.welfarestate.com/wtc
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/77_deastman1.htm
http://www.attackonamerica.net/home.htm
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm
http://www.activeopposition.com/911exposed.htm
http://www.greaterthings.com/News/911
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/english.html
http://www.bunkahle.com/Aktuelles/Politik/German_Engeneers_help_the_USA.html
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/Missile-Not-Flight-77.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
http://hawaii.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/3250.php
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38004
http://www.independent.com/news/news906.htm (not all the links)

but this must be a coincidence, right..)



What did he ahcive with 9/11? well the only reason he is ahead of kerry in some states is just because of terrorism.... (it's called inveting your own marked)
 
Tuffgong4 said:
Why would you want to vote when you have to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwhich because almost every election is between some moron and some idiot and honestly that's just about the best comparison to Bush and Kerry I have heard
Well even if you saw it as an election between 2 morons, wouldn't you want the lesser of the 2 evils? I know I would .. but thats just my 2 cents.
 
1993 World Trade Center bombing: On February 26, 1993, a bomb planted by terrorists exploded in the underground garage of the north tower, opening a 30m hole through 4 sublevels of concrete. Six people were killed and over a thousand injured. Six Islamist extremist conspirators were convicted of the crime in 1997 and 1998

that was on american soil...and who was the president...I really didn't want to post in this thread again but...
 
you know, i forgot that one.... I'm ashamed...

that doesn't change the fact that bush is doing a lousy job as president..
 
Perris...are you serious?

"sorry again...this economy is a direct result of this president giving my money to rich people"

Let's get one thing straight. NOBODY owes you ANYTHING. The president is not giving your money to rich people. Surprise surprise! They *earned* it! They pay taxes just like you and me and everyone else, and they deserve a tax break justh the same! That is, of course, unless you think like Kerry and decide that you are going to steal money from the rich by simply taxing them more (for what, because they are successful? because they don't deserve every penny they worked for?) and redistributing that money to other people. That, my friend, is bordeline Marxism --"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Remember that utopic view? Yeah, the Russians tried it. Got them far huh? Think again before you vote for Kerry.
 
so you mean to say that this is fair?
that would mean you altso support that 20% of the earths population (the rich part, thats us chatting on this forum), uses more than 80% of the earths resources, this is fair to you.

Because the rich are the reason, the poor are poor.

Exaple: In a country, there are 100 people, and 100 $. If 80 of these guys have to share 20 $, they get 0,25$ each. While 20 of them share 80$, that gives them 4 $ each.
Now, why is 80 of those guys, lets call em the poor, sharing 20$, becauese the other 80$ is owned by those 20 other guys, lets call em the rich.
So the rich are responsible for the poverty of the poor.
just like in the real world, this goes back to colonial times... (actualy longer back, but this is the relevant age, for this discussion)
Who do you think africa owes money?
 
I'm reading through this thread right now...


TittleBitties...
I noticed your avatar is the green day album cover.
Did you actually listen to that cd? That disc is so anti-bush it isn't even funny. And you're pro-bush?

POSER!!
 

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