War on Iraq

[Mubbers]

The problem is this:

Most of you anti-war posters here are not really anti war but are just anti-Bush. You can't get over this thing that Bush won the election and what's-his-chops-didn't.
All your lame arguments revolve around totally personalised issues that clearly are irrelevant to the actual situation in the Middle East.

Saddam Hussain is an evil dictator and mass murderer.

WOMD will be discovered in Iraq.

The People of Iraq will be much better off without Saddam Hussain.

The world will be safer because of this war.

God Bless Britain and America. We are the only two countries in the world that are able to stand up for what is right and decent.

Mubbers

 

[Sazar]

Originally posted by Mubbers
The problem is this:

Most of you anti-war posters here are not really anti war but are just anti-Bush. You can't get over this thing that Bush won the election and what's-his-chops-didn't.
All your lame arguments revolve around totally personalised issues that clearly are irrelevant to the actual situation in the Middle East.

Saddam Hussain is an evil dictator and mass murderer.

WOMD will be discovered in Iraq.

The People of Iraq will be much better off without Saddam Hussain.

The world will be safer because of this war.

God Bless Britain and America. We are the only two countries in the world that are able to stand up for what is right and decent.

Mubbers

yes... good points... saddam is an evil man... iraq (especially the shi'ites) will be much better off without him... as well as the kurds..

WOMD being discovered... they should be there... probably... but none have been found thus far... and as time progresses there will be intense pressure for this to be proven...

the world safer because of this war? I do not agree with that point completely... in a manner of speaking... perhaps...

however saddam was not an imminent threat... nor was he truly as evil as he has been portrayed as being... certainly no more so than say a Pinochet... another one of the 'regime change' beneficiaries from days past...

the idea of changing the regime of a nation via a de facto coup is not something I support... it is a very dangerous precedent...

terrorism is likely to spike because of the actions taken as well... there was not the international support that would have made this 'right' and the people who have died certainly did not deserve to die..

blaming the 'non-patriots' for attacking just bush and not anything else is partially correct... but then this war is bush's baby... look no farther than his leaked political agenda... he WANTED to fight.. and he got his wish...

I am displeased @ the thought that the president of my nation has not spent as much time planning for the future of this nation domestically as he has spent time and energy and money in getting this war into action...

do not forget we are in the midst of a recession... war does help... that is true... but the economic climes and other factors currently do not seem to point to a sudden economic recovery... especially as this farcical war continues...

why farcical? well... frankly... who really thought iraq stood a chance? really ? the whole claim of WE WILL PREVAIL... I mean come on... that was a given from even before the start of the war... the shock and awe was that it took THIS long to get things in order... and it took the lives of over 100 coalition lads and ladies and hundreds of civilians to achieve...

it is not bush's fault... by any means... but he does have to take responsibility for the actions...

eventually... I am sure things will seem rosier and enough pr spin will be applied to suppress the negatives... as have occured in previous conflicts... heck I know people who think we won in vietnam... and this is from a non-political point of view... just a generalisation about our apathy to the non-personalized beings... they are the enemy... and hence must be destroyed... regardless of the threat level... brand them all terrorists... play 9/11 music/images and voila... there is justification seems to be the order of the day...

it is sad that it has come to this...

/end rant...

 

[muzikool]

Originally posted by kitct
It seems that many folk (myself included) don't relly want to hear people continually dissin' the Pres.

Didn't care for it when Clinton was Pres and don't care for it now either.

Right or wrong,agree or disagree,whatever.I am an Independent, not Democrat and not Republican.I have a great "laundry list" of things that I disagree very strongly w/Bush on.But I respect the office.

But all this "bashin",well ... it just gets old really fast, in my humble opinion. 😱

Well said kitct, I agree. And Sazar, though our opinions might conflict in some ways, I appreciate your educated and thought-out point-of-view. 🙂

 

[Sazar]

Originally posted by muzikool
Well said kitct, I agree. And Sazar, though our opinions might conflict in some ways, I appreciate your educated and thought-out point-of-view. 🙂

bleh... lol...

I get antsy when I am hungry 😀

 

[ZAnwar]

Originally posted by Mubbers
The problem is this:

Most of you anti-war posters here are not really anti war but are just anti-Bush. You can't get over this thing that Bush won the election and what's-his-chops-didn't.
All your lame arguments revolve around totally personalised issues that clearly are irrelevant to the actual situation in the Middle East.

Saddam Hussain is an evil dictator and mass murderer.

WOMD will be discovered in Iraq.

The People of Iraq will be much better off without Saddam Hussain.

The world will be safer because of this war.

God Bless Britain and America. We are the only two countries in the world that are able to stand up for what is right and decent.

Mubbers

To you Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, to me he is a normal muslim. I don't care about the Shiite muslims, they should be killed, Bush and Blair (the bum chums), wont ever capture Saddam Hussein, just like they never caught Osama Bin Laden!

 

[ZAnwar]

1 more thing: How would you like it if people came to your country trying to find weapons, you wouldn't like it would you? America was scared of Iraq, first they sent the inspectors, when they didn't find anything. America then attacked because either Iraq dis not have any or they were hiding them. What sort of "stupid" dumbass of a president and a prime minister starts attacking when they ain't even got proof that Iraq has got WOMD stored somewhere! 😡

 

[Sazar]

Originally posted by ZAnwar
To you Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, to me he is a normal muslim. I don't care about the Shiite muslims, they should be killed, Bush and Blair (the bum chums), wont ever capture Saddam Hussein, just like they never caught Osama Bin Laden!

shi'ites should be killed?

your logic being?

I personally do not support the fact that the USA and UK went into iraq guns blazing... however they do likely have at least highly plausible evidence... based on the fact that the numbers listed by iraq.. and the numbers listed by the sellers of the arms don't match up... hence WMD must exist...

whether they actually do or do not will become a matter of much concern soon enough...

getting back to the whole 'these people are not worthy of living' situation... anytime someone decides to kill someone else in the singular or as a peoples... that is murder... no one has the right to take the life of another.. to do so is... to put it bluntly... playing god... I have read your previous posts in the religion thread... and I do not want to get started in the whole debate about how you will go to heaven and none of the rest of us will... there is no point in arguing that point with me since I am an atheist... 🙂

now that the sunni minority is no longer in power... perhaps the shi'ites will exact their revenge and mete out the same treatment that they have suffered for the past couple of decades ?

 

[Evil Marge]

Saddam regime crumbles in Baghdad


The government of Saddam Hussein appears to be disintegrating in Baghdad, with jubilation and looting breaking out in the eastern part of the city.
Cheering Iraqis have greeted arriving marines in the Shia stronghold of Saddam City, the BBC's Andrew Gilligan in Baghdad reports.

Look like its all over 🙂 BBC

 

[ZAnwar]

Originally posted by Sazar
shi'ites should be killed?

your logic being?

I personally do not support the fact that the USA and UK went into iraq guns blazing... however they do likely have at least highly plausible evidence... based on the fact that the numbers listed by iraq.. and the numbers listed by the sellers of the arms don't match up... hence WMD must exist...

whether they actually do or do not will become a matter of much concern soon enough...

getting back to the whole 'these people are not worthy of living' situation... anytime someone decides to kill someone else in the singular or as a peoples... that is murder... no one has the right to take the life of another.. to do so is... to put it bluntly... playing god... I have read your previous posts in the religion thread... and I do not want to get started in the whole debate about how you will go to heaven and none of the rest of us will... there is no point in arguing that point with me since I am an atheist... 🙂

now that the sunni minority is no longer in power... perhaps the shi'ites will exact their revenge and mete out the same treatment that they have suffered for the past couple of decades ?

Ok, fair enough, but tell me. Have you got even 1 valid reason for declaring war? And don't give me no bull about him having WOMD, every country has got WOMD, why don't you start a war with North Korea, too scared?

 

[Octopus]

Originally posted by ZAnwar
To you Saddam Hussein is an evil dictator, to me he is a normal muslim. I don't care about the Shiite muslims, they should be killed

hey kid do you know that he killed more than 100,000 kurds in Halabja?do you know that saddam has his own unique way to kill his own people?he takes a civilian and let him drinks oil and then he shoot him to blow him up?do you know that the majority of Iraq around 70% are shias?and you still call him a muslim?
I am completely against this guy but against the war too,because it will yield more terrorists LIKE YOU and again bin laden's clones will start moaning like whores to bomb everything american....get the fact...you and your kind don't love Iraq..You hate america.! a new era has begun.

 

[Octopus]

Originally posted by ZAnwar
Ok, fair enough, but tell me. Have you got even 1 valid reason for declaring war? And don't give me no bull about him having WOMD, every country has got WOMD, why don't you start a war with North Korea, too scared?

do you have one reason for NOT declaring war?what is yours I said mine in the previous post.why is it legal for Bin laden to start a war against non muslims or even shia's( by the way shias are muslims but wahhabism fanatics oppose that.)
Bush and his "fans club" think that war is the only solution...there is Iran on his list besides North Korea etc...what is he gonna do?


damn it...why am I saying all of this?like the old say...opinions are like a$$holes everybody has got one!

 

[ZAnwar]

Actually, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are good people (in my opinion) because they weren't scared of nobody, they did what they set out to do.

The people I hate are those damn freemasons and bush and blair!

 

[Sazar]

Originally posted by ZAnwar
Ok, fair enough, but tell me. Have you got even 1 valid reason for declaring war? And don't give me no bull about him having WOMD, every country has got WOMD, why don't you start a war with North Korea, too scared?

there are many people in the world who do not like what saddam stands for and yet oppose the war... stereotyping people like you are doing unfortunately leads to misunderstandings...

I have never claimed to support the war personally...look @ any of my posts in this thread and others on other sites... before you start with the grouping of EVERYONE in the same corner..

concerning osama and saddam as good people... well... I will say this.. the US created both... and should take responsibility for many of the wrongs these men have done... instead of making it out to be a problem that must be eliminated in itself...

it is our foreign policy in days past that has lead to the situation in Iraq now...

about the war... resolution 1441 does not give us authority to enter a war... with un approval... resolution 687 would have done so... except for the ammendments.. by sheer virtue of the fact that the terms of the cease fire were not followed... unfortunately subsequent resolutions yielded THAT resolutions null and void when it came to the issue of the use of force...

I would like to know the fascination with saddam though... he NEVER did anything based on the fact that he was muslim till recently... when he suddenly found allah and allied himself with the islamic peoples of the world... and iraqi's and palestinians... if he was so true in his beliefs... he would have been devout through his life... and not suddenly gone native... so to speak... when the tables turned against him...

bush and blair have both taken steps I do not approve of... but it is a fait accompli now.. nothing that can really be done about it... and you could say that since bush and blair finsihed what the set out to do they would be good people in your book to Zanwar 🙂

 

[Sazar]

Originally posted by Octopus
hey kid do you know that he killed more than 100,000 kurds in Halabja?do you know that saddam has his own unique way to kill his own people?he takes a civilian and let him drinks oil and then he shoot him to blow him up?do you know that the majority of Iraq around 70% are shias?and you still call him a muslim?
I am completely against this guy but against the war too,because it will yield more terrorists LIKE YOU and again bin laden's clones will start moaning like whores to bomb everything american....get the fact...you and your kind don't love Iraq..You hate america.! a new era has begun.

whoa... tone it down m8 🙂

this is just a forum 😀

 

[Octopus]

Originally posted by ZAnwar
Actually, Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden are good people (in my opinion) because they weren't scared of nobody, they did what they set out to do.

The people I hate are those damn freemasons and bush and blair!

more than 4 million Iraqis live outside iraq because of him...he ordered his troops to die for him while he was hiding...the same thing with Bin laden..he lives in a cave now...this is your own problem mate...you can't taste other's opinions..you must have two eyes..one to see yourself and the another one to see everyone around you.I really don't blame you..I blame the historians who gave you lies..those who made the tyrants into heroes...for example Karbala which is in Iraq...the grandson of the prophet Mohammed was beheaded there by Yazeed bin Moawa...shia' supportted the prophet's grandson..but through the past decades the islamic historians described Yazeed as a hero! and the same situation now with Saddam...today the 9th of April 2003 the poeple of Iraq has written the history by themselves...that's why i said a new era has begun.

 

[Nedreplan]

Anyway... We all have our opinons about this matter.

But facts are facts.

Saddam was a dictator, supported terrorist groups, "tested" WOMD on the kurdish people...just to mention a few things.

Saddam is gone, his goons are gone. His time is up.
It is time for new leadership in Iraq, and with a democratic future, I hope.

BUT ... I hope it will be the U.N., together with the Arab League that forms and help the Iraqi people to build a new future for them and their country...



"The war is not over .... it is only over for those that are dead..."
(Plato)

 

[Mubbers]

Kids riding down a Baghdad street on Saddams head 😀

Injured & dead Iraqi civilians in overcrowded hospitals 🙁

Two sides to this whole affair. But over and above all this is that there is now real hope in Iraq. Hope that the future can and will be better for everyone.

Did you see the guy wearing the Beckham football shirt in the crowd at the statue!!

We are not all that different.

Mubbers

 

[dave holbon]

Latest info places Saddam inside the Russian Embassy:

😡

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Originally posted by Dave Holbon
Latest info places Saddam inside the Russian Embassy:

😡

Playing bingo with Bin Laden?

 

[Geffy]

Originally posted by Dave Holbon
Latest info places Saddam inside the Russian Embassy:

😡

Hes only there as he knocked on the french one for ages and no one answered