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planning an upgrade.. got a few questions

forcer

OSNN Senior Addict
#1
i am planning to upgrade my computer.

i currently have 1.2ghz amd athlon processor

i would like to upgrade it to a 2.0 or higher, how do i go about doing that, is there places to just add the rest or do i need to totally remove the full current processor and add a new faster one?

whats a rough cost of a 2.0 amd athlon processor? and how much would i get for my current processor?

is there limitation to the mother board for how high it can go, because i aint sure if it would handle 2.0mhz how would i find out?


secondly, i want to upgrade my 32mb geforce 2... to a 64mb geforce 4 (or 128)

but again, does it matter on the motherboard because i dont know if its made to go that powerful?


and finally i want to add a new harddrive but i want to be really careful when buying one.

my current harddrive is 40 gig, ive had it roughly 2 years and its still quiet as a mouse but i have a friend who has had his computer less than a year and you have hear his hard drive making alot of noise when its in use... kinda like a relly rough scratching sound or something.... well i dont want my new harddrive to start making noise after so long, so what should i lookout for when buying a new one?

thanx

mike forcer
 
#2
You'll need to buy a new motherboard and processor because of higher front-side bus speeds for the processors. Almost any new video card will work in your current motherboard, but you'll end up having to get a new board anyway.

If you're not overly obsessed with the speed of your drive, a 5400 RPM drive is cheap, quiet, generates less heat, and is very reliable since lower spindle speeds are not as hard on the internal components. I have both speeds and tested them, and the difference is minimal between the drives. 120 GB is currently the most economical hard drive size as far as price per gigabyte goes.

Currently, most hard drives brands aren't much different from each other. People will say "Seagate breaks all the time" or "Maxtor breaks all the time", but the fact is that when a company makes millions of hard drives, there are bound to be thousands of duds. Just go with whomever will give you a three-year warranty.

For whatever it's worth, it's possible buy an Athlon XP 2400 with a board for less than $100 US, so you probably won't get much for your current equipment. When I get old boards like that, I usually build a cheap computer for my in-laws/parents/siblings just to get them on the internet and get music.
 

forcer

OSNN Senior Addict
#3
so even if my motherboard does support a 2.0ghz processor i will still need a new 1 if i want to add a faster processor?

i'm not "obsessed" with the speed of my drive but i do want a fast one.

my current hard disk is maxtor and its one of the best ones i have come accross... all previous hard disks of mine and ones of others get noisy and slow over time but this current one is still running perfect

thanx for your reply
 
#4
It depends on how old the motherboard is. Post the MB brand and part number and we can check for you.

If the MB supports Athlon XP you could upgrade to an XP 2000 with 266 Mhz FSB, maybe a little higher XP 2200. XP 2000 with fan (you will need a new one) is $72, free shipping. http://www.essencompu.com/icywebstorefront.asp?ID=4&sID=8

Make sure the MB has an AGP slot. It is brown and sits a little further back from the rear panel. If not that means a PCI version graphics card wich will be slower and more expensive. If you don't have an AGP slot you definitely would be better off with a new MB.

As for hard disks, everyone has their favorites. I like Western Digital, Maxtor is good, IBM is good but pricey, avoid the Seagates. And stay with 72oo RPM drives the 5-10 savings for a 5400 isn't worth it.
 

forcer

OSNN Senior Addict
#8
SiSoftware Sandra

System Chassis
Manufacturer : Uknown Chassis Manufacture
Type : Desktop
Can be locked : No
Version : Version 1.00
Serial Number : 1234567890
Asset Tag : 0123ABC

Mainboard
MP Support : No

Memory Controller
Error Detection Method : ECC
Error Correction Capability : 1-bit
Supported/Current Memory Interleave : 1-way / 1-way
Number of Memory Slots : 4
Maximum Installable Memory : 512MB
Maximum Module Size : 128MB
Supported STD/FPM/(B)EDO Speeds : 70ns, 60ns
Supported Memory Types : STD, FPM, EDO, Parity, ECC, SIMM
Supported Memory Voltages : +3.3V

Physical/BIOS Memory Banks
ROW-0 (RASL-0) : 512MB DIMM SDRAM single-bank
ROW-1 : Empty
ROW-2 : Empty
ROW-3 : Empty

Chipset 1
Model : Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS730 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 100MHz / 1x 100MHz
Width : 64-bit
IO Queue Depth : 3 request(s)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 512MB SDRAM 3-3-3-6CL
Width : 64-bit
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

Memory Module(s)
Memory Module 2 : 512MB 8x(64Mx8) SDRAM PC133U-333-542 (CL3 up to 133MHz) (CL2 up to 100MHz)

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 31.0°C / 87.8°F
CPU Temperature : 47.0°C / 116.6°F
Power / Aux Temperature : 64.0°C / 147.2°F

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 5114rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.76V
Aux Voltage : 2.48V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.26V
+5V Voltage : 4.97V
+12V Voltage : 12.36V
-12V Voltage : 1.13V
-5V Voltage : -5.66V
Standby Voltage : 5.08V
Battery Voltage : 3.52V

AGP Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.00
Speed : 2x
Fast-Writes Enabled : No
Side Band Enabled : No
Side Band Support : Yes
Aperture Size : 64MB

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.10
Number of Bridges : 1
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1x PCIClk)

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge)
ACPI Power Management Enabled : Yes
Random Number Generator Enabled : No
Speed : 7MHz

USB Controller 1
Model : Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS5597/8 Universal Serial Bus Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 3
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : SiS 5595 Internal SMBus
Slave Device Enabled : No

Expansion Slot(s)
PCI1 (1h) : PCI 32-bit +3.3V Shared PME Full-Length Available (Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS PCI to ISA Bridge (LPC Bridge))

Performance Tips
Warning 2533 : Disabled host controllers are present. Check BIOS settings.
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2511 : Some memory slots are free so the memory can be easily upgraded.
Warning 2541 : FSB exceeds Chipset rated speed. Reduce FSB.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2545 : Large memory modules should be Registered/Buffered.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
 
#9
This is the part we neded to check:

Chipset 1
Model : Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) SiS730 CPU to PCI Bridge
Bus(es) : ISA AGP PCI USB i2c/SMBus
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 100MHz / 1x 100MHz
Width : 64-bit
IO Queue Depth : 3 request(s)

Funny, it says your FSB speed is limited to 200 mhz, but that you are running at 266 mHz.

The information I was looking for is missing. Was this the mainboard of system summary ICON? It should say the system board manufatcurer at top of the list and model number. It may be hidden in yours if it is a Taiwanese OEM MB.

In that case finding out what rev sis chip is going to be harder. you could try looking at the top of the but it is probably covered by the chipset heatsink.

You may also have an older Bios. Clcik the CPU/Bios icon it may have more info.
 
#10
Mine looks like this - MB maker and version are shown.

< Mainboard and BIOS >
Bus(es): ISA AGP PCI IMB USB SMBus/i2c
MP Support: 1 CPU(s)
System BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 07.00T
Mainboard: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. 7VRXP
System Chipset: VIA Technologies Inc VT8366/A Apollo KT266/A,KT333 CPU
to PCI Bridge
Front Side Bus Speed: 2x 134MHz (268MHz data rate)
Installed Memory: 512MB DDR-SDRAM
Memory Bus Speed: 2x 134MHz (268MHz data rate)

And under the mainboard info:
< System Mainboard >
Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
MP Support: 1 CPU(s)
MPS Version: 1.40
Model: 7VRXP
Version: 1.0
Serial Number: 00000000
BIOS ID: 62-2002-001199-00101111-040201-KT333
 

forcer

OSNN Senior Addict
#12
SiSoftware Sandra

Processor
Model : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Speed : 1.20GHz
Model Number : 1195 (estimated)
Performance Rating : PR1589 (estimated)
Type : Standard
Package : Socket A PGA
Multiplier : 9/1x
Generation : G7
Name : Athlon M4 (Thunderbird) 650-1.4GHz 1.7-1.8V
Revision/Stepping : 4 / 2 (0)
Stepping Mask : A4..A8
Core Voltage Rating : 1.750V
Maximum Physical / Virtual Addressing : 36-bit / 32-bit

Co-Processor (FPU)
Type : Built-in
Revision/Stepping : 4 / 2 (0)

Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64 byte line size)
Internal Instruction Cache : 64kB Synchronous Write-Back (2-way, 64 byte line size)
L2 On-board Cache : 256kB ECC Synchronous Write-Back (16-way, 64 byte line size)
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (1195MHz)

Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : Sockey-A
Upgrade Interface : LIF Socket
Supported Speed(s) : 1.20GHz+

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Power Rating(s)
CPU Core Power : 58W (estimated)
CPU Cooling System Thermal Resistance : 0.28C/W (estimated)

Sensors
CPU Temperature : 46.0°C / 114.8°F
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
CPU Fan Speed : 5075rpm
CPU Voltage : 1.79V

Features
FPU - Co-Processor Built-in : Yes
VME - Virtual Mode Extensions : Yes
DE - Debugging Extension : Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extension : Yes
MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes
CX8 - Compare & Exchange Instruction : Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in : No
SEP - Fast System Call : Yes
MTRR - Memory Type Range Registers : Yes
PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architecture : Yes
PAT - Page Attribute Table : Yes
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : Yes
PSN - Unique Serial Number : No
CLF - Cache Line Flush Support : No
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : No
ACPI - Software Clock Control : No
MMX Technology : Yes
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : Yes
SSE Technology : No
SSE2 Technology : No
SS - Self Snoop : No
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No
TM - Thermal Monitor : No
SBF - Signal Break on FERR : No
SSE3 Technology : No
MON - Monitor/MWait : No
DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug Store : No
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No
EST - Enhanced SpeedStep Technology : No
CID - Context ID : No
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : No

Extended Features
SYCR - Extended Fast System Call : Yes
EMMX - Extended MMX Technology : Yes
3DNow! Technology : Yes
Extended 3DNow! Technology : Yes
SMP - MP Capability : No

Advanced Settings
TLB Cacheable : Yes
System Ack Limit : 4 request(s)
System Victim Limit : 0 request(s)
Extended MTRR Types : Yes
I/O Type Range Registers : Yes
Top of Memory : 20000000 (512MB)

Machine Check Architecture Settings
Number of Reporting Banks : 4 bank(s)
Exception Reporting Control Support : Yes

Variable Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 : 00000000-1FFFFFFF (0MB-512MB) WB
MTRR 7 : D0000000-D3FFFFFF (3328MB-3392MB) WC

Variable Range IORR Settings
IORR 1 : D0000000-D3FFFFFF (3328MB-3392MB) rdMem wrMem

Fixed Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 Range 0 : 00000000-0000FFFF (0kB-64kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 1 : 00010000-0001FFFF (64kB-128kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 2 : 00020000-0002FFFF (128kB-192kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 3 : 00030000-0003FFFF (192kB-256kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 4 : 00040000-0004FFFF (256kB-320kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 5 : 00050000-0005FFFF (320kB-384kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 6 : 00060000-0006FFFF (384kB-448kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 0 Range 7 : 00070000-0007FFFF (448kB-512kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 0 : 00080000-00083FFF (512kB-528kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 1 : 00084000-00087FFF (528kB-544kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 2 : 00088000-0008BFFF (544kB-560kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 3 : 0008C000-0008FFFF (560kB-576kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 4 : 00090000-00093FFF (576kB-592kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 5 : 00094000-00097FFF (592kB-608kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 6 : 00098000-0009BFFF (608kB-624kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 1 Range 7 : 0009C000-0009FFFF (624kB-640kB) WB rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 0 : 000A0000-000A3FFF (640kB-656kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 1 : 000A4000-000A7FFF (656kB-672kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 2 : 000A8000-000ABFFF (672kB-688kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 3 : 000AC000-000AFFFF (688kB-704kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 4 : 000B0000-000B3FFF (704kB-720kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 5 : 000B4000-000B7FFF (720kB-736kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 6 : 000B8000-000BBFFF (736kB-752kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 2 Range 7 : 000BC000-000BFFFF (752kB-768kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 0 : 000C0000-000C0FFF (768kB-772kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 1 : 000C1000-000C1FFF (772kB-776kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 2 : 000C2000-000C2FFF (776kB-780kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 3 : 000C3000-000C3FFF (780kB-784kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 4 : 000C4000-000C4FFF (784kB-788kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 5 : 000C5000-000C5FFF (788kB-792kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 6 : 000C6000-000C6FFF (792kB-796kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 3 Range 7 : 000C7000-000C7FFF (796kB-800kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 0 : 000C8000-000C8FFF (800kB-804kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 1 : 000C9000-000C9FFF (804kB-808kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 2 : 000CA000-000CAFFF (808kB-812kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 3 : 000CB000-000CBFFF (812kB-816kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 4 : 000CC000-000CCFFF (816kB-820kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 5 : 000CD000-000CDFFF (820kB-824kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 6 : 000CE000-000CEFFF (824kB-828kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 4 Range 7 : 000CF000-000CFFFF (828kB-832kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 0 : 000D0000-000D0FFF (832kB-836kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 1 : 000D1000-000D1FFF (836kB-840kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 2 : 000D2000-000D2FFF (840kB-844kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 3 : 000D3000-000D3FFF (844kB-848kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 4 : 000D4000-000D4FFF (848kB-852kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 5 : 000D5000-000D5FFF (852kB-856kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 6 : 000D6000-000D6FFF (856kB-860kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 5 Range 7 : 000D7000-000D7FFF (860kB-864kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 0 : 000D8000-000D8FFF (864kB-868kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 1 : 000D9000-000D9FFF (868kB-872kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 2 : 000DA000-000DAFFF (872kB-876kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 3 : 000DB000-000DBFFF (876kB-880kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 4 : 000DC000-000DCFFF (880kB-884kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 5 : 000DD000-000DDFFF (884kB-888kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 6 : 000DE000-000DEFFF (888kB-892kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 6 Range 7 : 000DF000-000DFFFF (892kB-896kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 0 : 000E0000-000E0FFF (896kB-900kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 1 : 000E1000-000E1FFF (900kB-904kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 2 : 000E2000-000E2FFF (904kB-908kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 3 : 000E3000-000E3FFF (908kB-912kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 4 : 000E4000-000E4FFF (912kB-916kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 5 : 000E5000-000E5FFF (916kB-920kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 6 : 000E6000-000E6FFF (920kB-924kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 7 Range 7 : 000E7000-000E7FFF (924kB-928kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 0 : 000E8000-000E8FFF (928kB-932kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 1 : 000E9000-000E9FFF (932kB-936kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 2 : 000EA000-000EAFFF (936kB-940kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 3 : 000EB000-000EBFFF (940kB-944kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 4 : 000EC000-000ECFFF (944kB-948kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 5 : 000ED000-000EDFFF (948kB-952kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 6 : 000EE000-000EEFFF (952kB-956kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 8 Range 7 : 000EF000-000EFFFF (956kB-960kB) UC rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 0 : 000F0000-000F0FFF (960kB-964kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 1 : 000F1000-000F1FFF (964kB-968kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 2 : 000F2000-000F2FFF (968kB-972kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 3 : 000F3000-000F3FFF (972kB-976kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 4 : 000F4000-000F4FFF (976kB-980kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 5 : 000F5000-000F5FFF (980kB-984kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 6 : 000F6000-000F6FFF (984kB-988kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 9 Range 7 : 000F7000-000F7FFF (988kB-992kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 0 : 000F8000-000F8FFF (992kB-996kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 1 : 000F9000-000F9FFF (996kB-1000kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 2 : 000FA000-000FAFFF (1000kB-1004kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 3 : 000FB000-000FBFFF (1004kB-1008kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 4 : 000FC000-000FCFFF (1008kB-1012kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 5 : 000FD000-000FDFFF (1012kB-1016kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 6 : 000FE000-000FEFFF (1016kB-1020kB) WP rdIO wrIO
MTRR 10 Range 7 : 000FF000-000FFFFF (1020kB-1024kB) WP rdIO wrIO

PAT Settings
PAT 0 : WB
PAT 1 : WC
PAT 2 : UC-
PAT 3 : UC
PAT 4 : WB
PAT 5 : WC
PAT 6 : UC-
PAT 7 : UC

Performance Tips
Warning 2533 : Disabled host controllers are present. Check BIOS settings.
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.



is that it, cnt find the info u were looking for
 
#13
No, still missing the MB manufacturer information which is what we need to check.

Don't suppose you have a manual with the system? But from the missing MB info it looks like it's generic MB. No way to find out for sure if it will support the XP processors.

There are utilities that might be able to dig out the info. Can someone else post the names and links?
 

forcer

OSNN Senior Addict
#14
sorry dont have the manual. i dont care anymore i will take the computer to the bloke who is upgrading and he can decide what to do.

i'll be upgrading to...

about 2/2.5ghz
64/128mb geforce 4
and installing an extra 60gig hard drive

whats the best online store with the most realistic prices... so i have an idea how much its gunna cost me?
 

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