Apple iPhone

I just had an odd thought, the only times I have ever pulled the battery out of my previous phones was when they locked up for some reason. So long as iPhone OS X doesnt ever lockup I'd be fine with not being able to get at it :p
it's just that lithium batteries are only good for a year
 
it's just that lithium batteries are only good for a year
Mmm,
And I want access to my battery...
Its just why should I pay apple 2 hundred bucks for a battery(Exaggeration) when i can probably get it on ebay for 50...

Im pretty happy with Cingular.
In my area they are the best service provider.
They seem to be the cheapest, i would never get Verizon due to the no Sim Card, and never nextel or sprint because of lack of phones.

It seems like Cingular and Tmobile have the best phones, and I was already ATT, so i just kept it.
 
Not only that, but if you don't have access to a charger, you can just pop a spare one in if it is accessable. I know lot of people that do that.
 
Not only that, but if you don't have access to a charger, you can just pop a spare one in if it is accessable. I know lot of people that do that.
True,
Like, I have had a ton of Nokias, and most the batts are the same, so i just keep like 3 extra batts in my car :).
Although i don't use a nokia anymore, i still keep the phone and the batts as spare :)
<----- Paranoid
 
If this is true, this is huge:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

An investigation into the ongoing trademark dispute between Cisco and Apple over the name "iPhone" appears to show that Cisco does not own the mark as claimed in their recent lawsuit. This is based on publicly available information from the US Patent and Trademark office, as well as public reviews of Cisco products over the past year. The trademark was apparently abandoned in late 2005/early 2006 because Cisco was not using it.
According to Jay Behmke, a partner at CMPR who specializes in trademark law,
The Cisco iPhone trademark was registered 11/16/1999 (Reg. No. 2293011). In order to keep a trademark registration active, you have to file a Declaration of Use on or before the sixth anniversary of the registration date, in which you state, under penalty of perjury, that you have been using the trademark continuously during that period. The sixth anniversary would have been 11/16/2005.
Cisco did not file the Declaration of Use by 11/16/2005, which if they had been using the trademark would seemingly have been easy to do. However, the USPTO gives you an extra six months grace period, if you pay an extra fee. This grace period would have expired 5/16/2006. Cisco filed a Declaration of Use on 5/4/2006 which kept their registration active. Had they not filed, their registration would have been canceled.
With the Declaration, you are required to file a copy of a label or other packaging showing the trademark in use. Cisco filed a picture of the box for the Linksys iPhone.
cit200_470.jpg

A cropped version of the picture filed by Cisco is shown above. You can find the full image on the USPTO web site. The picture shows a box for the Linksys CIT200 Cordless Internet Telephony Kit, with a sticker showing the word "iPhone™" affixed to the back, outside the shrink wrap. The front of the box is not shown, but it doesn't appear that the word iPhone appears anywhere else on the box.
A search of product reviews of the CIT200 shows no mention of the word iPhone [1]. The first mention appeared in December 2006 when Cisco unveiled a series of new products bearing the iPhone name. It was not until then that the CIT200 was rebranded under the iPhone moniker [2].
Tom Keeting, CTO of TMC Labs writes:
In fact, this seems to be true since the Linksys CIT200 and the Linksys CIT310, (both of which I reviewed) are now called the iPhone and were only recently renamed on December 18th. Specifically, each Linksys/Cisco product is called the Cordless Internet Telephony Kit or iPhone for short. The PDF manuals still reference the old name, such as this manual for the CIT200 and I couldn't find a single reference to the word "iPhone" in the manual even though I see "iPhone®" with the registered trademark throughout their website. I guess they missed that. Time to re-print/convert those PDFs!
This information indicates that Cisco did not actively offer a product named "iPhone" between 1999 and December 2006. But they knew Apple was interested in the name because Apple had approached them and negotiations were ongoing. Jay Behmke writes:
If Cisco didn't launch a product using the iPhone name, their trademark registration would be canceled and they would have no bargaining chips with Apple. So in order to keep the trademark active, they had to file the Declaration of Use, and start selling a product under that trademark.
It is possible that the Declaration of Use is defective, as there was no continuous use, and the sample that Cisco submitted was for a product not released until 7 months later. The fact that the Declaration of Use was submitted only days before the deadline expires gives me the impression that they were scrambling to get a product to market, and had to file the Declaration before the product was ready.
If Apple can prove in federal court that the Declaration of Use contained misstatements of fact, i.e. that there was no continuous use, then Cisco's registration can be canceled. This could clear the way for the next company in line for the iPhone trademark, Ocean Telecom Services LLC (widely regarded as a front company for Apple). It could also explain why Apple decided not to sign the agreement Cisco proposed. Behmke:
Without the registration, Cisco and Apple would still have a trademark dispute to resolve, but Cisco will have a harder time proving that it has valid trademark rights.
Cisco acquired the trademark when it purchased Infogear in 2000. Ironically, Infogear was granted the trademark after it was abandoned by its previous owner, a company called "Cidco".
 
If this is true, this is huge:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=236

An investigation into the ongoing trademark dispute between Cisco and Apple over the name "iPhone" appears to show that Cisco does not own the mark as claimed in their recent lawsuit. This is based on publicly available information from the US Patent and Trademark office, as well as public reviews of Cisco products over the past year. The trademark was apparently abandoned in late 2005/early 2006 because Cisco was not using it.
According to Jay Behmke, a partner at CMPR who specializes in trademark law,
The Cisco iPhone trademark was registered 11/16/1999 (Reg. No. 2293011). In order to keep a trademark registration active, you have to file a Declaration of Use on or before the sixth anniversary of the registration date, in which you state, under penalty of perjury, that you have been using the trademark continuously during that period. The sixth anniversary would have been 11/16/2005.
Cisco did not file the Declaration of Use by 11/16/2005, which if they had been using the trademark would seemingly have been easy to do. However, the USPTO gives you an extra six months grace period, if you pay an extra fee. This grace period would have expired 5/16/2006. Cisco filed a Declaration of Use on 5/4/2006 which kept their registration active. Had they not filed, their registration would have been canceled.
With the Declaration, you are required to file a copy of a label or other packaging showing the trademark in use. Cisco filed a picture of the box for the Linksys iPhone.
cit200_470.jpg

A cropped version of the picture filed by Cisco is shown above. You can find the full image on the USPTO web site. The picture shows a box for the Linksys CIT200 Cordless Internet Telephony Kit, with a sticker showing the word "iPhone™" affixed to the back, outside the shrink wrap. The front of the box is not shown, but it doesn't appear that the word iPhone appears anywhere else on the box.
A search of product reviews of the CIT200 shows no mention of the word iPhone [1]. The first mention appeared in December 2006 when Cisco unveiled a series of new products bearing the iPhone name. It was not until then that the CIT200 was rebranded under the iPhone moniker [2].
Tom Keeting, CTO of TMC Labs writes:
In fact, this seems to be true since the Linksys CIT200 and the Linksys CIT310, (both of which I reviewed) are now called the iPhone and were only recently renamed on December 18th. Specifically, each Linksys/Cisco product is called the Cordless Internet Telephony Kit or iPhone for short. The PDF manuals still reference the old name, such as this manual for the CIT200 and I couldn't find a single reference to the word "iPhone" in the manual even though I see "iPhone®" with the registered trademark throughout their website. I guess they missed that. Time to re-print/convert those PDFs!
This information indicates that Cisco did not actively offer a product named "iPhone" between 1999 and December 2006. But they knew Apple was interested in the name because Apple had approached them and negotiations were ongoing. Jay Behmke writes:
If Cisco didn't launch a product using the iPhone name, their trademark registration would be canceled and they would have no bargaining chips with Apple. So in order to keep the trademark active, they had to file the Declaration of Use, and start selling a product under that trademark.
It is possible that the Declaration of Use is defective, as there was no continuous use, and the sample that Cisco submitted was for a product not released until 7 months later. The fact that the Declaration of Use was submitted only days before the deadline expires gives me the impression that they were scrambling to get a product to market, and had to file the Declaration before the product was ready.
If Apple can prove in federal court that the Declaration of Use contained misstatements of fact, i.e. that there was no continuous use, then Cisco's registration can be canceled. This could clear the way for the next company in line for the iPhone trademark, Ocean Telecom Services LLC (widely regarded as a front company for Apple). It could also explain why Apple decided not to sign the agreement Cisco proposed. Behmke:
Without the registration, Cisco and Apple would still have a trademark dispute to resolve, but Cisco will have a harder time proving that it has valid trademark rights.
Cisco acquired the trademark when it purchased Infogear in 2000. Ironically, Infogear was granted the trademark after it was abandoned by its previous owner, a company called "Cidco".
aww no way.
 
Looks like Cisco were just trying to make a few million...
 
I just got back from Best Buy and they had the "iPhone" from Linksys (Cisco). The only place that it had the word "iPhone" on the box is on the back, no where on the front. I honestly believe that the only reason that they had it on there is to try and keep Apple from getting the copyright.
 
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but iPhone will be expected to be available in the UK verrrryy soon... By that I mean late 2007 (typical). lol :p

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I just got back from Best Buy and they had the "iPhone" from Linksys (Cisco). The only place that it had the word "iPhone" on the box is on the back, no where on the front. I honestly believe that the only reason that they had it on there is to try and keep Apple from getting the copyright.
They started the copyright in 1999...
I highly doubt Apple had any plans whatsoever on making a phone...
 
I am not talking about in 1999, I am talking about recently. The iPhone is something that was rumored for a long time, and Apple had been in talks with Cisco to by the name from them. Perhaps Cisco decided they would just add that little thing on there just to stick it to Apple?
 
Cisco do not have copyright on iPhone, rather Trademark. The difference is that Trademark lasts a shorter period of time where as Copyright typically lasts for 50 years, though I've been told that in the US it keeps being increased. This oddly coincides with the years in which Disneys oldest copyright is pending expiration :p

The Disney thing is only something I have been told, I have no desire to go and verify this story.
 
Sorry, I used the wrong terminology....at any rate, I hope it is true.
 
Sorry, I used the wrong terminology....at any rate, I hope it is true.
I hope not...
If Apple had chatted with Cisco about the name, and Cisco said no.
There is no way that Cisco would have let the Trade Mark expire...
 
More details on the phone itself:

- NO Java, MAYBE Flash, according to Jobs
- “How does the iPhone charge?” –It comes with a white charging/syncing dock, just like an iPod.
- Calendar program isn’t finished yet, but I did see an “add new event” icon on the placeholder graphic.
- “Can the pinch gesture be used on Web pages?” –Yes! Also on email!
- [The screen is the] same polycarbonate that’s used for iPod screens, although apparently the coating has been substantially improved.
- [The screen responds] ONLY to skin touch. I couldn’t use my fingernail, for example. And you certainly can’t use a stylus.
 
Yes, I'm sure they want the screen to get really crappy. :rolleyes:

This probably has more to do with preventing accidental touches. The iPhone is supposed to be very good at eliminating unintentional touches.
 
The article quotes Steve Jobs about why Apple does not want to allow any 3rd party developer make applications for the iPhone:
“We define everything that is on the phone. You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work anymore. These are more like iPods than they are like computers.”

I'm not sure everyone actually read this

Steve claims he tells you what goes on your phone

and he makes the bizarre statement that the OS is not capable of scheduling efficiently, he's saying iy does not have efficient memory management, and Steve is actually stating that he doesn't know how to make it so the device won't launch more apps then it's capable of handling at one time

it is incredible to me this guy still enjoys his fan boy following, first, he's telling you which carrier you have to use, but more important even then that, he is telling you what you can and can't put on your phone as if he's renting it to you or something
 
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and he makes the bizarre statement that the OS is not capable of scheduling efficiently, it's does not have efficient memory management, and Steve is actually stating that he doesn't know how to make it so the device won't launch more apps then it's capable of handling at one time

Was this from another part of the article, or are you extracting it from how he spoke about the phone in general?

Apple has every right to control what goes on the phone, and the consumer has every right not to buy it for this reason. The market will determine whether Apple's stance on this hurts or helps the phone's success, or has no real impact either way.

Apple limited the iPod in similar ways -- doesn't seem like that had much effect on its success, though. ;)
 

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