can't move temporary internet files

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  1. Perris Calderon

    Perris Calderon Moderator Staff Member Political User

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    so using vista, I want to move the temp internet files to the desktop so I can defrag just that file cause perfect disc won't do it through the navigation window for some reason

    so I do everything I think I'm supposed to do, tools, internet thingys, move file

    I created a file on the desktop called "temporary internet files" (cool name right?...thought that up on my own)

    the computer does it's thing, logging off to make the move, when I log back on, temp files are still mapped to the original file

    any ideas?
     
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  2. American Zombie

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    If this is with IE open maybe you need admin. Right-click the IE icon in the start menu then "run as admin" or whatever it says (not on Vista right now so can not remember what it says).
     
  3. Perris Calderon

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    will try that but I would think I would get a notice telling me I don't have authority if that was the problem

    good suggestion, will let you know manana
     
  4. Perris Calderon

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    nope, didn't work
     
  5. falconguard

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    Can you right click on the folder and edit all permissions there?

    Properties>Security>edit and manually edit the folder for full control under your profile.
     
  6. Perris Calderon

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    will try, but really think I would get a notice if I didn't have permission, no?
     
  7. Perris Calderon

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    could you see if you can move your folder to the desktop?

    let me know
     
  8. American Zombie

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    Maybe try turning off IE protected mode then make the move.
     
  9. j79zlr

    j79zlr Glaanies script monkey Political User

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    Why are you trying to defrag your temp files, they are just going to get deleted and recreated???
     
  10. Perris Calderon

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    unless you set the file to delete on closing the browser they don't get deleted they get replaced, as the folder reaches the limit the oldest files get replaced by the newest

    this file is most dynamic, always changing, of all files to defrag I think these are the most important
     
  11. j79zlr

    j79zlr Glaanies script monkey Political User

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    Right, as the files get deleted and replaced they will use the next available space. Those files would have the highest probability of being fragmented unless you clear that space, defrag the rest of the drive, and then allow the temp files to occupy new space after compacting the rest of the drive. Personally I like using modern file systems that do not need to be defragmented ;)
     
  12. Perris Calderon

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    even that protocol wouldn't prevent the temp internet file from fragmenting j79

    as far as the entire file, being fragmented wouldn't present an issue as far as I can see, the data inside the temp file are the issue, if that data is fragmented across the file or the hardrive, that's gonna give a performance hit me thinks

    I remember when I had the file on it's own partition for this same purpose, the files in the temp file still get fragmented

    so how does the Linux file system solve the problem?

    I know you know why in windows there's a fragmenting problem j79, but let me restate it for those that are reading this thread that might not understand what's going on...I can't figure out how a more sophisticated file system would address the issue;

    the temp files are written as they are seen by the os, they aren't written contiguously in the first place, that's an internet packet thing not an os or files system thing;

    suppose a gif is seen, it will hardly ever get seen all at once, but let's say it is for arguments sake, even that doesn't help, that gif, or a portion of, it will get written if that's the entire packet the os looks at right then, if the gif isn't contained contiguously on the internet transfer, it can't get written contiguously, it will get written as the packets arrive, and as they are seen in Que

    compound that fragmenting issue with the fact that the gif might get written and accessed often, then right beside it some data might get written that's only accessed the once, say a rotating banner, and written directly adjacent on the drive

    since that data isn't accessed but the once, it'sn gonna get occupied by new data long before the gif that's accessed often gets overwritten

    files that were written after the banner but are more active are still going to be there after the banner is replaced

    so even if the entire drive is empty, the files within the drive get fragmented no matter what you do
    I can't see how a file system can overcome this physical and practical reality

    unless the file system were always defragging files as they are written

    that to me is counter productive, creating far too much hardrive activity

    files systems and os's are sophisticated enough that they know where the fragments are long before they seek, they are accessed long before they need to be read, therefore, typically there is not allot of performance issue with fragmented files

    so there's the quick lesson for everyone else, I know you knew all this

    but you are saying the issues, however slight, don't even exist on the Linux file system?

    are you also saying there isn't even a defrag program for Linux since files don't get fragmented?

    and if so, why wouldn't Microsoft steal that technology?
     
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  13. j79zlr

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    NTFS is leaps and bounds better than FAT when it comes to fragmentation. And it was stolen from HPFS or the old OS2 filesystem. I am not an expert in this, but this is how I understand it. The advantage that ext3, reiser or ufs have is two fold. They leave buffer space around the file so it can be enlarged without having the fragment the file. Hard drive geometry is also taken into account, so if you have a contiguous file, it should not cross track boundries or platters. AFAIK, FAT32 does neither of these things and NTFS does the first poorly and does not take geometry into account.
     
  14. Perris Calderon

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    leaving a buffer around a file makes sense, it's going to use exponential more hardrive but that's easily overcome by claiming that buffer area when the hardrive gets full

    thanx for the info
     
  15. Perris Calderon

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    protected mode is off already`
     
  16. Perris Calderon

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    profile already has all permissions

    isn't there a command that would move this file on boot?
     
  17. Perris Calderon

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    well, I might as well try to do this with firefox

    could someone tell me how to move the temp files from that browser?

    I can't find it in tools
     
  18. j79zlr

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    Can't you just navigate to the firefox profile folder and tell it to defrag the cache files?
     
  19. Perris Calderon

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    possibly, when I tried it with ie the it wouldn't highlight

    where is the file in firefox?...program files, mozilla firefox?

    I can't find a profile folder there
     
  20. j79zlr

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    Should be /Users/<name>/AppData/Local/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/xxxx.default/Cache