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Originally posted by Dave Holbon
From the moment you are born you are being “programmed” by your parents or guardians to both believe and understand certain rules and regulations and sets of beliefs. Part of this process (growing up) can be enforced by the education process, what you see around you, and others views including peer-group pressures which (in this case) applies to your entire life. Religion and Politics feature high on this list as does simpler things like supporting your local “football” team. The social processes involved in these is akin to applying pressure to the individual in subtle ways to convince them that their team is the best when, in fact, the evidence points in a totally different direction.

I was programmed to respect everyone and to do on to others as you would have done to yourself. If the US started doing that kind of crap that saddam is doing to his people I would pray some one somewhere on this planet would have the courage to try and step in and help us out...... with that said and with everyones anti american view you would all just prolly watch and say owell not our problem.

Thats just my belief and I wish everyone thought like that but they don't and prolly never will.
 

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Originally posted by delta4s
http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/mar/31iraq3.htm

Depleted Uranium is WMD

dude depleted uranium is just a hard metal man...... its not radio active it can't make a big bomb its just REALLY hard metal......


so they shot some really big bullets.... whats your point? did u get confused by the word uranium?


WMD are things like nukes and biological weapons that kill hundreds of thousands of people within a short amount of time last time I checked we didn't own a tank that could level a city with one shot. at most they could take a bulding down...... a small building like a house.


I think they get depleted uranium from nuclear reactors in other words.... spent fuel cells... a dead battery and extrememly dense and hard piece of metal that u could have sitting above your fire place and no be in any kind of danger unless it fell on you 🙂
 

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Q. What makes depleted uranium a potential hazard?

A. Depleted uranium is a heavy metal that is also slightly radioactive. Heavy metals (uranium, lead, tungsten, etc.) have chemical toxicity properties that, in high doses, can cause adverse health effects. Depleted uranium that remains outside the body can not harm you.

A common misconception is that radiation is depleted uranium's primary hazard. This is not the case under most battlefield exposure scenarios. Depleted uranium is approximately 40 percent less radioactive than natural uranium. Depleted uranium emits alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays. Alpha particles, the primary radiation type produced by depleted uranium, are blocked by skin, while beta particles are blocked by the boots and battle dress utility uniform (BDUs) typically worn by service members. While gamma rays are a form of highly-penetrating energy , the amount of gamma radiation emitted by depleted uranium is very low. Thus, depleted uranium does not significantly add to the background radiation that we encounter every day.

When fired, or after "cooking off" in fires or explosions, the exposed depleted uranium rod poses an extremely low radiological threat as long as it remains outside the body. Taken into the body via metal fragments or dust-like particles, depleted uranium may pose a long-term health hazard to personnel if the amount is large. However, the amount which remains in the body depends on a number of factors, including the amount inhaled or ingested, the particle size and the ability of the particles to dissolve in body fluids.
 

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everyone does realise we are not in this war to free the iraqi people or any other good samaritan stuff that is PR'd to death in the news right ?

we are in it to 'disarm' the saddam regime of its WMD...

thats it... thats the ONLY reason we went into that country...

to date... 0 WMD have been found and it will not be long before the international community and protestors inside america will start to DEMAND that proof be shown...

the government HAS to find WMD in Iraq to support the war against terrorism stance it has taken and the position it has forced itself into on Iraq...

now... the people's being put down by saddam... the kurds mainly... if not for the fact that they are our allies... bush would brand them terrorists too... see how it works ? 🙂

it does not make right the fact that saddam does put peoples down... that in itself is a crime against humanity.. but would not the people who provide the regimes with the weapons to put down these 'other' peoples also be held accountable ? they are just as guilty as the people using the weapons...
 

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but sazar thats like saying the gun store is responsible for everything you do with a gun after u buy it from them.... its not really something you attack some one for. if that where the case no one in there right mind would sell a gun to anyone for fear of being punished for something they had no control over (the person who bought the gun)
 

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Originally posted by Krux
but sazar thats like saying the gun store is responsible for everything you do with a gun after u buy it from them.... its not really something you attack some one for. if that where the case no one in there right mind would sell a gun to anyone for fear of being punished for something they had no control over (the person who bought the gun)

you refer this to what particular comment I made?
 

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Originally posted by Krux
dude depleted uranium is just a hard metal man...... its not radio active it can't make a big bomb its just REALLY hard metal......
It is slightly radioactive (as you said in your next post) but if you are workin beside them for extended periods of time, it may effect you.

Also being hit by a DU shell can hardly do anything good for you anyways, but then I guess thats the point
 
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DU is used cause it punctures tank armor. Not because of its radioactive capabilities.

I'm pretty sure the coalition would use it if they could get the volume.
 

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DU's shrapnel is the major difference between it and somethng conventional... uranium in the blood stream = BAD 🙂

hence why it is used as tank rounds and the like..
 

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Originally posted by Sazar

it does not make right the fact that saddam does put peoples down... that in itself is a crime against humanity.. but would not the people who provide the regimes with the weapons to put down these 'other' peoples also be held accountable ? they are just as guilty as the people using the weapons...


I was refering to this post sazar 🙂
 

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Originally posted by Geffy
It is slightly radioactive (as you said in your next post) but if you are workin beside them for extended periods of time, it may effect you.

Also being hit by a DU shell can hardly do anything good for you anyways, but then I guess thats the point


yah the article basically said you should be fine unless you get it in your body and usally the onlyway to get it in your body is if its being shot at you and then in that case the point would be to kill you anyways 😀 anywho my point was its not a "doom's day device" or WMD as you guys would put it.




PS. I pulled that from an article that some sientist wrote after the gulf war and they had tho whole thing of the DU in the battle field was making people "sick" when everyone knows saddam was using nerv agents and other chemical crap.
 

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Originally posted by Krux
I was refering to this post sazar 🙂

k 🙂

now you do understand the US sold weapons to Iraq during the iran/iraq war... in support of iraq ?

and you do also realise that the US also covertly sold weapons to IRAN during this same conflict?

obvioulsy we are very dependent peoples 🙄 very ethical...

now if you want to tell me we sold the weapons during a conflict and yet we cannot be held in any way accountable for selling weapons... to BOTH sides... I don't follow that logic... the us knew full well what it was doing in this situation.. it was making the best business transaction possible given the circumstances... human cost did not seem to factor into it...
 

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Originally posted by Sazar
k 🙂

now you do understand the US sold weapons to Iraq during the iran/iraq war... in support of iraq ?

and you do also realise that the US also covertly sold weapons to IRAN during this same conflict?

obvioulsy we are very dependent peoples 🙄 very ethical...

now if you want to tell me we sold the weapons during a conflict and yet we cannot be held in any way accountable for selling weapons... to BOTH sides... I don't follow that logic... the us knew full well what it was doing in this situation.. it was making the best business transaction possible given the circumstances... human cost did not seem to factor into it...



but you basically described every war in the history of the planet. also to say they sold them to both sides and didn't care about the life loss is kinda moot since weapons are made to mame and destroy. if you wanted to look at it like that, you would have to hold the makers acountible also they knew just as well that the weapon was going to kill people..... did they care? nahhhh they just wanted there fat checks from the government. I don't think "human cost" ever factors into it, it should but it doesn't if it did there would be no need for war or even an army. (might be kinda fun to watch 2 countrys in big rumbles 🙂 ie: couple thousand man fist fights haha) I'm no entirly sure we can be like why did the US do that and not even thinktwice about it, because it has been happening since the beggining of man. I don't agree with the ethic just like you but it seems to be human nature to try and make a profit off another mans suffering.
 
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Regardless of whether the war should take place or not, it is.

And from what I have so far seen its a joke, the American army crack nut shells with a sledge hammer!!

I beleive the back lash on the US and maybe the UK in years to come will be immmense.

P.S Did anyone see the AMerican troop with "Kill em all" on his helmet?? Think that sums it up...:huh:
 

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Originally posted by neo090282
Regardless of whether the war should take place or not, it is.

And from what I have so far seen its a joke, the American army crack nut shells with a sledge hammer!!

I beleive the back lash on the US and maybe the UK in years to come will be immmense.

P.S Did anyone see the AMerican troop with "Kill em all" on his helmet?? Think that sums it up...:huh:

generalizing based on one... its never a good indicator of the whole...

I KNOW some of the troops over there... class mates and friends... good people all in all... therefore I DON'T think that sums it up...
 

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The "Kill em All" soldier doesnt generalize the US troops out there, some of them probably dont want to be there. They are having to go through this because of Bush and his gang.
 

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Originally posted by neo090282
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P.S Did anyone see the AMerican troop with "Kill em all" on his helmet?? Think that sums it up...:huh:


At least he's still wearing his uniform.

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another FF incident today morning...

f-18 apparently shot down by a US patriot battery 🙁
 

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