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Sazar

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Originally posted by dealer
I'm heading to bed Benny, but a final disticnction to go along.

idiology does not challenge you at at pain of losing your immortality.

idipolgy is a code that you choose as your intellectual choice.

relifgion challenges your choice, at sever penalty for your immortality

going to bed

an idea or group of ideas...

religion is not viewed the same by everyone... and the message/s garnered by the same are not interpreted the same by everyone...

it is this which is one of the problems of religion.. ie.. the interpretation... who is to say whose interpretation is incorrect? there are not CLEAR messages portrayed...

no one person or group of people have a right to judge or make comments on any other religion based on their views... and that is not taken too well...

there is no holier than thou... coz we are all inherently the same... in genetic makeup.. there is no distinctions per se...
 

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last thought Benny

I agree with you

I don't tie to religion for the sake of immortality.

I'm telling you that that is what brought religion forward

I tie to my relgion for the sake of heritage

but that is my idiology

religion would not exist but for the promise of immortality

see you tomorrow🙂
 

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I'll correct myself, sazar has a point, although i don't completely agree with him because his words go against theology completely.
a a major part of religion is identical to ideology, and that part is a set of rules, on various subjects.
 

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Night dealer, i'll leave it till tomorrow, or else youl never go to sleep 😛
 

Sazar

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I am going to ask congress to pass a resolution to bomb that god awful cow of yours.... 😀

put it out of its misery so to speak benny...
 
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well tell me this why does a religion hold a kolastokov in on hand and the qu'uarn in the other. and i may be wrong but the islam religion wants all people to conform to its religion and beliefs. and these terrorists may be muslim but they share the same beliefs yet a more violent ideology about infidels.

and the hate for britains in this country is disgraceful... and yet they still seek sanctuary in our country... and we still let them spread their hate.

BTW this is not a global view on muslims :blink:
 
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Christianity has caused far more deaths in this world than Islam has. Do NOT judge religions by a small minority of its followers. It is quite clear that they are demented terrorists and not the normal representation of Muslims.
 
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why do they choose islam... i know muslims dont believe in that ****... theres 2million muslims in the UK and if they all believed that we'd have an internal race war

and that was precisely why i said this was not a global view of muslims
 

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Originally posted by Sazar
I am going to ask congress to pass a resolution to bomb that god awful cow of yours.... 😀

put it out of its misery so to speak benny...
Leave my cow alone you evil evil man!
 

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From the moment you are born you are being “programmed” by your parents or guardians to both believe and understand certain rules and regulations and sets of beliefs. Part of this process (growing up) can be enforced by the education process, what you see around you, and others views including peer-group pressures which (in this case) applies to your entire life. Religion and Politics feature high on this list as does simpler things like supporting your local “football” team. The social processes involved in these is akin to applying pressure to the individual in subtle ways to convince them that their team is the best when, in fact, the evidence points in a totally different direction.

This is basically brain washing and societies have practiced it for centuries, however it’s now beginning to become possible to circumvent your own society’s views and for the first time hear what other societies have to say. You then find out that in fact the actual lives most people lead are remarkably similar once these inbuilt beliefs are removed. Modern communications has enabled this (the internet).

This of course has upset the “political/religious applecart” as this group were the tradition proponents and programmers/brain washers and relied on the lack of knowledge of their flock and the definition of what is right and what’s not.

This is why I say “religion and politics” are evil; they encapsulate a set of beliefs that can be easily manipulated by certain individuals (or parts of that belief) for their own personal gain, or to gain an advantage for one sect/tribe over another, this is now known as racism. Individuals can’t practice racism (in the UK) but it is still practiced by governments (by definition). Democracy or the empowering of the individual to elect their own representatives for (usually) five years does not mean that you won’t end up with a violent dictator in charge. However democracy as applied to the western world sits on economic viability, without this, the system would collapse instantly.

Hello?
 

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However democracy as applied to the western world sits on economic viability, without this, the system would collapse instantly.

Hello?

hardly

successful domocracy came in America long before economic stability...democracy was the tool that brought to us economic stability, not the other way around

as far as the rest of your post, as usual, I for the most part agree with what you post.

except to make the following point.

your statement that the learning process of children involves brainwashing.

the term is too broad to agree or dissagree.

you might also use the term as it would apply to any persuasive argument.

and so, you must carve a more severe definition of brainwashing then the neccessary process of reering your children.

otherwise the term is useless.

great to see you back posting Dave...I know you try to get out, but I'm glad the addiction to come back here is too strong.

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any good concept or ideology can be misused, nothing easier then to lock a person up in the name of freedom.
there will never be a society in which you can practice total freedom of speech or individuality, it goes against human nature.
its a much bigger issue, on which a whole new thread should be created to seriously discuss this. the existence of social laws is necessary for the existence of human kind, but its also what probably, eventually will kill us all.
 

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Quote from Dogma
The things wrong with the world happen when people take a good idea and build a belief system on it

*slightly modified as I cant remember it word for word*
 
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Originally posted by XP Abuser
why do they choose islam... i know muslims dont believe in that ****... theres 2million muslims in the UK and if they all believed that we'd have an internal race war

and that was precisely why i said this was not a global view of muslims

Why do you choose Christianity?
 

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I am immune to any sort of brain washings by anyone and that is why I live a very beautiful and rewarding life.

-SnookBooger 2003-🙂
 

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Originally posted by SnookBooger
I am immune to any sort of brain washings by anyone and that is why I live a very beautiful and rewarding life.

-SnookBooger 2003-🙂
*wiggles fingers at SnookBooger* uuuuuuuuu, luuuuuuuv Toooooooony blaaaaaaaaaaair
 

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Everything anybody believes in today will eventually be proved wrong or at least misguided. Could you explain to an ancient Egyptian how a Polaroid camera or Casio calculator actually worked? (And they understood the basics of mathematics). If the whole planet believed that it was flat then it’s a fact until someone proves otherwise.

How do you know you can’t or aren’t being programmed on a daily basis? That is what learning is. If you’re immune to brainwashing then you have stopped learning. The ability to reject what you are told as being true relies on the fact that you can compare it with other things you have been told or experienced. An interesting analogy appeared in a recent medical journal of tests undertaken at a New York Hospital where it was found that for a sample of about one thousand women undertaking anti-natal care, six in ten had evidence of DNA in their reproductive systems from more than one male still active. This is a well-understood mechanism but it flies in the face of what most people think.

Slipped of thread a bit there, never mind. The point is we are not what we think we are. We are all capable of killing, loving and just about anything else imaginable given the right set of circumstances. This is a great gift; whilst at the same time the seeds of our downfall; - Enter Religion/Politics and the Mormons!!! Well I have to get a plug about them here as they are building a database or all persons on the planet and their credit worthiness from their hideout in Salt Lake City. The Salvation Army does similar things and has been banned from certain countries.

Where will it all end? I suspect that Sadism Hussein (currently lingering between life and death in a hospital) not being re-elected! And the UK becoming the 51st Sate of the US (which in fact it has been for over fifty years give or take). The French have yet to understand this.
 

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And here is one opinion about the suicide bombing on US soldiers
from Arab News

"An Iraqi in a taxi containing explosives has become the first known suicide bomber of the war to succeed in taking some of the US invaders with him. By itself, his attack is simply another bit of bloodletting in this unnecessary war. But what makes the event so significant is not that it happened (though the fact that it did will be causing considerable unease among America and its allies), but the way in which Washington has reacted to this slaying of at least four of its soldiers.

The cry has gone up from the American camp that suicide bombings are the acts of terrorists, therefore this attack proves, beyond all doubt, the long-argued American case that Iraq is a terrorist state. Thus Washington was right all along to invade, and the sooner Saddam Hussein can be put out of business, the safer the world will be.

There is none so blind as they that won’t see.

This ignorant and deeply stupid analysis just about sums up the level of what seems to pass for serious thought in George W. Bush’s White House.

Put aside for a moment the obvious objection that had there been no invasion in the first place, there would have been no suicide bombing in reaction to it, terrorist or otherwise — in other words, that the proof of this particular pudding was not in the eating — and bring the debate to a level that the current mindset of the US administration is more attuned to.

Imagine instead that one of Davy Crockett’s men had volunteered to charge a wagonload of explosives out of the fort and straight into Santana’s forces surrounding the Alamo, in an attempt to break the Mexicans’ aggressive resolve. Would not that man now be high in the pantheon of US heroes? Indeed are not Davy Crockett himself and the rest his volunteers roundly honored for their bravery and self-sacrifice, which held off an invader long enough for his campaign to lose momentum and falter?

Were Davy Crockett and his men terrorists for throwing away their lives in a hopeless action against vastly superior might? If an American answers that they were not, then he is accepting that neither was the Iraqi suicide bomber in his taxi.

Davy Crockett is a hero to the Americans. Every citizen remembers the Alamo. Can Washington therefore appreciate that the Iraqi in the taxi is going to be a hero as well, when his name and his self-sacrifice become known, and that he will be a hero not just in Iraq but throughout the Arab world ?

If they can imagine this, maybe the Bush White House will go the extra intellectual mile and understand that the guy in the taxi in Iraq was no more laying down his life for his president in Baghdad than the guy in the rac**** hat was dying for his president in Texas. Both men chose to die because they loved and wanted to defend their homeland. An attack against one Texan or one Iraqi was an attack against all Texans and all Iraqis.

But America of course cannot ascribe to its enemies the noble and decent motives it is happy to honor among its own heroes. For Washington, there can be no equivalence between Iraqis and Americans. Yet consider this: One of them has a warmongering, bloodthirsty president, elevated to his position in a sham election, who is happy to slaughter innocents to promote his world vision. The other has Saddam Hussein."
 

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