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Disclaimer
This is data for PC users so not to fall for marketing memes.
Mac customers shouldn't be dissuaded from preference, users should get what they like, if you're a Mac user ignore.
I'm tired of IBM, Apple and proselytizers mis-represent actual circumstances behind IBM using Macs,
ARTICLES WHERE IBM "CLAIMS' MACS COST LESS
In their own interview, IBM admits Macs don't "cost less" unless Apple reduces rates.
Here's actuality
APPLE SUPLIMENTS IBM FOR USING THEIR EQUIPTMENT.
"Cost saving" comes from supplements Apple gives IBM, (they do NOT offer those to you)
Apple and IBM have tried bringing MS down together since at least 1991
Brief History of Apple and IBM Partnerships | PCMag
To this day, both companies' team to bring MS down.
IBM, Apple Team to Take on Microsoft
In the process miss-stating facts in support of their sugar daddy
(So customers buy their over priced product )
Apple IBM’s sugar daddy!
Apple gives them so many services and lowers their price so much, it might be a loss leader investment.
(Services and lower pricing Apple does NOT give you)
Like imaging the OS specifically for IBM without IBM participation or expense;
“Thin imaging” is code for “Apple pays to do everything we need, it's their expense not ours”
THEY DO IBM'S WORK, THEY DON’T DO YOURS
Apple then gives IBM users laptops at no upfront charge, lowering fees to insure it's not more tha a PC
This “lease" cannot be had by you.
(IBM leverages the investment Apple provides, offsetting debt service btw)
Get that?
Laptops free up front, and on demand rather than buying up front in bulk for best pricing, then The Apple leasing fees're marked so low it’s the same or lower price as PC, (not more like you pay)
When the unit's obsolete, Apple takes the antique back!
YOU CAN’T GET THAT DEAL; YOU DON’T SAVE THIS MONEY.
For Apple to give me that very same deal:
They'd provide for me, their $2,400 MacBook pro, since they don't have a two in one they also be giving me their $1,000 iPad and their $150 pen.
They'd include accident insurance covering without deductible stepping on, or however breaking the box as long as it's an accident
For all that I would pay $0 up front and $16 a month for 4 years!
After 4 years they would take their obsolete antique back and give me the latest text again for free again!
In other words;
Apple insures IBM doesn't pay more for Macs than PCs
You pay the Apple premium, IBM does not
Let's translate: "cost neutral" means "if a PC cost you $400, we'll lower our price so you pay $400 for our Mac
That "arrangement” is as if Apple gives IBM (at least) $1,000 each user"
Not even consider all the additional free services Apple provides:
Apple guaranteed they’d developed proprietary software, provide staff support, create exclusive IBM infrastructure with internal internet specifically with Apple interface, to get Apple laptops (only) to IBM specification without IBM participation or expense, including proprietary websites and programing specifically between Apple and IBM,
(Of course they could, but then couldn’t talk trash about MS, which is the very goal between them since 1991)
Check this quote, it says it all doesn’t it, (bold is mine)
BRILLIANT!!! (Let me tell YOU)
Then IBM makes the (ridiculous) claim “they cost less over time”
IBM claims they “save” a few hundred dollars after Apple gifts them what looks like at least a thousand per unit!
(YOU do the math)
Of course they cost less to you IBM; Apple pays your bills!
(Apple doesn't pay my bills, or yours if you wonder)
My GAWD the entire internet fell for this con.
You have to hand it to IBM, they took Apple for quite a ride, ya?
Users repeat the dis-information, not knowing IBM gets free stuff.
Look, this marketing con worked nicely for them, a great investment.
And I don’t blame Apple for giving free stuff in coddling their partner to bring down their mutual rival
Apple gives IBM value; those savings do not exist for you or me.
More:
Contrary claims, you don't recover difference on resale or trade in.
I didn’t hunt cherry picking the following used examples, these are first up in my search. (prices as of this date)
My $630 box now into its 4th year, running better than new, could sell for about $350 losing about $300, (mine would sell higher since it has more RAM), but we’ll use this price just to be fare to Apple.
Here’s the order from my email in case you're wondering;
Same sight Apple’s near equivalent, though mine is 2in1 one with touch, certainly more productive than any Apple unless paired with their (over priced) ipad
Same site, (this sold for $2400 new)
Add $1000 dollars since you’ll also need their overpriced notepad, mine is both, but lets even toss out that 1k, (just to be fair to Apple)
There's that storied “great resale for macbooks", you lost $1550!
I could give you TWO of mine and lose less than your “great value” Mac.
If you think that’s because that was the Intel not the latest M, you’d be wrong:
Here’s what you get for the frigging one year old M1 Air
See that price?, see the competitor notice? Apple believes it's offering more than anyone else.
In one year you lost (much) more than I did in 4
Let's try their best macbook pro, m1max, this is what they're offering as of this date
That's the current offer on Apple, few months ago cost you $2400, you lost no less than a grand in a couple of months!
The answer is no.
They ONLY "pay for themselves" when you're a mega buyer, Apple LOWERS your price so it's no more than a PC AND gives you enough free stuff.
This is data for PC users so not to fall for marketing memes.
Mac customers shouldn't be dissuaded from preference, users should get what they like, if you're a Mac user ignore.
I'm tired of IBM, Apple and proselytizers mis-represent actual circumstances behind IBM using Macs,
ARTICLES WHERE IBM "CLAIMS' MACS COST LESS
In their own interview, IBM admits Macs don't "cost less" unless Apple reduces rates.
Here's actuality
APPLE SUPLIMENTS IBM FOR USING THEIR EQUIPTMENT.
"Cost saving" comes from supplements Apple gives IBM, (they do NOT offer those to you)
Apple and IBM have tried bringing MS down together since at least 1991
Brief History of Apple and IBM Partnerships | PCMag
To this day, both companies' team to bring MS down.
IBM, Apple Team to Take on Microsoft
In the process miss-stating facts in support of their sugar daddy
(So customers buy their over priced product )
Apple IBM’s sugar daddy!
Apple gives them so many services and lowers their price so much, it might be a loss leader investment.
(Services and lower pricing Apple does NOT give you)
Like imaging the OS specifically for IBM without IBM participation or expense;
“Thin imaging” is code for “Apple pays to do everything we need, it's their expense not ours”
THEY DO IBM'S WORK, THEY DON’T DO YOURS
Apple then gives IBM users laptops at no upfront charge, lowering fees to insure it's not more tha a PC
This “lease" cannot be had by you.
(IBM leverages the investment Apple provides, offsetting debt service btw)
Get that?
Laptops free up front, and on demand rather than buying up front in bulk for best pricing, then The Apple leasing fees're marked so low it’s the same or lower price as PC, (not more like you pay)
When the unit's obsolete, Apple takes the antique back!
YOU CAN’T GET THAT DEAL; YOU DON’T SAVE THIS MONEY.
For Apple to give me that very same deal:
They'd provide for me, their $2,400 MacBook pro, since they don't have a two in one they also be giving me their $1,000 iPad and their $150 pen.
They'd include accident insurance covering without deductible stepping on, or however breaking the box as long as it's an accident
For all that I would pay $0 up front and $16 a month for 4 years!
After 4 years they would take their obsolete antique back and give me the latest text again for free again!
In other words;
Apple insures IBM doesn't pay more for Macs than PCs
You pay the Apple premium, IBM does not
Let's translate: "cost neutral" means "if a PC cost you $400, we'll lower our price so you pay $400 for our Mac
That "arrangement” is as if Apple gives IBM (at least) $1,000 each user"
Not even consider all the additional free services Apple provides:
Apple guaranteed they’d developed proprietary software, provide staff support, create exclusive IBM infrastructure with internal internet specifically with Apple interface, to get Apple laptops (only) to IBM specification without IBM participation or expense, including proprietary websites and programing specifically between Apple and IBM,
Righty 0OH, as if they couldn’t do that with Windows, right?
(Of course they could, but then couldn’t talk trash about MS, which is the very goal between them since 1991)
Check this quote, it says it all doesn’t it, (bold is mine)
OMG! admitting it's a "scheme" they’re hiring APPLE USERS, so they can claim Apple users use less support on Apple affiliated programs than PC users on Apple affiliated programs.
BRILLIANT!!! (Let me tell YOU)
Then IBM makes the (ridiculous) claim “they cost less over time”
IBM claims they “save” a few hundred dollars after Apple gifts them what looks like at least a thousand per unit!
(YOU do the math)
Of course they cost less to you IBM; Apple pays your bills!
(Apple doesn't pay my bills, or yours if you wonder)
My GAWD the entire internet fell for this con.
You have to hand it to IBM, they took Apple for quite a ride, ya?
Users repeat the dis-information, not knowing IBM gets free stuff.
Look, this marketing con worked nicely for them, a great investment.
And I don’t blame Apple for giving free stuff in coddling their partner to bring down their mutual rival
It’s certainly a nice sentiment for users, so they justify outrageous pricing, not knowing Apple kisses IBM’s butt to justify any saving.
Apple gives IBM value; those savings do not exist for you or me.
More:
Contrary claims, you don't recover difference on resale or trade in.
I didn’t hunt cherry picking the following used examples, these are first up in my search. (prices as of this date)
My $630 box now into its 4th year, running better than new, could sell for about $350 losing about $300, (mine would sell higher since it has more RAM), but we’ll use this price just to be fare to Apple.
Here’s the order from my email in case you're wondering;
Same sight Apple’s near equivalent, though mine is 2in1 one with touch, certainly more productive than any Apple unless paired with their (over priced) ipad
Same site, (this sold for $2400 new)
Add $1000 dollars since you’ll also need their overpriced notepad, mine is both, but lets even toss out that 1k, (just to be fair to Apple)
There's that storied “great resale for macbooks", you lost $1550!
I could give you TWO of mine and lose less than your “great value” Mac.
If you think that’s because that was the Intel not the latest M, you’d be wrong:
Here’s what you get for the frigging one year old M1 Air
See that price?, see the competitor notice? Apple believes it's offering more than anyone else.
In one year you lost (much) more than I did in 4
Let's try their best macbook pro, m1max, this is what they're offering as of this date
That's the current offer on Apple, few months ago cost you $2400, you lost no less than a grand in a couple of months!
The answer is no.
They ONLY "pay for themselves" when you're a mega buyer, Apple LOWERS your price so it's no more than a PC AND gives you enough free stuff.
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