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FPS in CS (take 2, no flaming)

#1
Ok since people thought it funny to flame my thread to pieces I will have to try again... NO FLAMING THIS TIME! ok?




Old thread is: http://www.xp-erience.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9223&perpage=15&pagenumber=1




My brother keeps complaining about the performance in CounterStrike. I usually get around 400 FPS and up to 600 if I look down, standing in a corner. My brother showed me a screenshot from one of his friends showing an FPS of 2000-2500. Is this even possible? That would mean about 2 billion pixels per second! What do you guys get?




Specs:


My computer:


P4 1700


512 MB DDR


Geforce 3 Ti200


SbLive! Value


100 GB WD 8 MB Special Edition


Windows XP, newest drivers




Brother's friend:


P4 1800


512 MB Rambus


Geforce 3 Ti200


80 GB IBM


Windows XP




Now then...

I've seen you all object to the high FPS I was talking about. I assure you I get 400-600 in CS (1024*768*32). I will ask my brother about the uncapping and the fps measurement command (when you execute the command your character spins one lap and the console displays the FPS and the time it took to spin). The 2500 screenshot sounds faked, I know, but it is authentic according to my brother. he saw it in action. There may however (and IS probably) something wrong with his game since 2500 is just ridiculus.

The point with getting 600+ in CS is not to get better gameplay in CS, anything beyond 60 is just wasted. The point is that it's a measurement of the overall graphics performance of the computer. If I get "low" FPS in CS (say 100) it's probably that it will be much lower in newer games. If I get high FPS (say 600+) it's probable that newer games will run smoother.



Please don't flame the thread again, I don't want to rewrite it another time!
 
#2
OK lets be serious, I haven't really seen CS do 600fps, obviously V-sync would have to be disable or else you'd have to have a 600mhz refresh rate (impossible) and on the system you described it is definitely not right, I have a athlon XP 1900+, 1 gig DDR, and a Geforce 4 TI 4400 OC'ed to beyond TI 4600 lvls and I guarantee I couldn't even score that.

You have to remember a prand new p4 2.4ghz, with a geforce 4 TI 4600 is only capable of about 350FPS in quake 3....now try explaining getting DOUBLE that on a system that pales by comparison..and the main reason that quake3 doesn't get beyond the 350fps on such a system is due to the rest of the components of the computer such as mobo and such don't have the bandwidth to acheive more...so this isn't a flame but ask yourself doesn't it seem odd that on your system you were scoring double that of a top of the line system?

But also using CS as any type of measure of computer performance is also flawed as CS really isn't advanced at all and is merely a mod. the FPS rating alone could be wrong across the board

Just go download yourself a copy of 3dmark and you'll have a good idea of your computers performance for current and future games.

I'm sorry if any of this seemed like a flame, but i'm just trying to use the quake 3 and such examples to put it into perspective.
 
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r3n3gad3

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#3
Yeah i agree totaly, i mean, although as you have said previously... the human eye can not see more than 60fps - so anything like 2500 is kinda a waste of resources dont ya think? :)

On another note (baring in mind Zedric is referring to a screenshot)... didnt anyone think about the screenie being edited? i mean, its not exactly hard to change 250 to 2500 is it? (i'm only using 250 as an example...lol, wouldnt it be lovely 2 get 250fps all the time :p) hehe
 
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dijital

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#4
this is not a flame. its just not possible to get frame rates that high with current hardware. once again, the human eye couldnt distinguish the difference even if it were possible.
 
#7
Qumahlin:
Compared to the flamers you are cool as ice ;)
However you talk about Q3. CS and Q3 are completel different when it comes to the kind of performance it will require from a computer. CS is based on HalfLife and that engine is getting old. I'm pretty sure there aren't any curved surfaces in it. Of course i cannot guarantee the accuracy of the built in CS FPS meter (obviously) but 400 is not that way of really.

400*1024*768 = 314572800
Considering the GF3Ti200 runs at 175 MHz this means roughtly 2 pixels per clock. If I remeber correctly (I may not) this is something the card can do.

I'll ask my brother about those commands and post ar 3DMark score when I have the time.
 
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wyrlwyn

Guest
#9
the number you are reading is the TRIS COUNT!!!! the number of polygons drawn in a second are not the same thing as the number of frames a second!!!!! the fps can not exede 99 in half life. the number of polygons in a view depend on the map, how it was made, and how it was compiled, 2000 or even 3000 is not uncommon, but the tris count if NOT YOUR FPS!
 
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dejav00

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#11
...

I think it has been decided that we can only tell the difference up to 60, after that...

Note: We are lame, our eyes are only capable of taking 60 samples a second, my mouse is taking 400 right now...lol
 
#13
No wyrlwyn it's not tris count. That would be higher if you look out over an open area of the map and lower if you looked into the corner of a wall. This is not the case as I remember.

Ok as you all have stated 100 FPS is impossible. This is true if you look at the netstat. If you, on the other hand, take up the console and type "timerefresh" (or maybe "time_refresh", not sure) the character spins 360 degrees and the console displays the FPS during that time. The 400 I was talking about was measured in de_dust at the starting area (down the stairs). Again I cannot guarantee anything, but the console says 400 FPS.
When I get home I'll get you a screenshot.

So run the timerefresh and report back. Who is wrong? I'd like to know. My brother is getting anoying ;)
 
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wyrlwyn

Guest
#15
it depends on how the level designer made it and what he used to compile... generally, in a hallway, a player would get about 2000, in crossfire, looking out over the courtyard, youd get higher then taht
 
#16
Ok here's the screenshot. It's AUTHENTIC, I made it myself. Besides, who would acctually take the time to fake that many numbers?

Oh and the 3DMark 2001 score. I ran a benchmark and it came out 5989.
 
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dijital

Guest
#19
set the cap higher then lets see what you get. it'll only go as high as your monitor can support or your gfx card. one of the two will be the limiting factor.
 
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goten133

Guest
#20
wtf...

wtf... u people talking about 200-300 fps u guys are on crack hl engine only supports up to 99...dont believe me? switch ur rez at 800x600 or even lower
 

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