Pentagon Attack

[PseudoKiller]

Yeah well I am not bitter and dont mean to be harsh, thanks for the drinks and points hell man I dont wanna fight, this stuff is a little to heavy at times huh ..

wearing my heart on my sleeve not a good thing this subject gets my blood boiling.

sry

heart on sleeve ... blood boiling?? sounds messy let alone the risk of infection.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html


Oh man thats abcnews.com

I just can't believe some of the stuff that we find when we start to look

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

LOL yeah its messy .. Oh damn I am turing green I think its infected ...



no wait doh I am a frog green is normal !

 

[PseudoKiller]

scary ... the crap we find out 40 years later... I dont even want to think about the crap we dont know and or will ever know. Now that makes me shiver.

 

[gonaads]

Makes ya think about 9/11 in a different light, don't it? Scary shiit. Was bad enough having to live through the Cuban Missile Crisis back in '62. The Shiit they were puttin out on the News back then, you didn't know if it was war a hoax or what.

 

[chastity]

interesting. To point your right that it puts 9/11 into a different light, though I would think it would be harder to try something like that in this day and age but again you never know and may never know.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Yes we would like to think, no way that they can pull that off today, sad part is I am sure they would try too, they have every single resource they need, they have all the money, all the knowledge, and all the people needed to do anything at all.

Here is one more thing to look at ... amazing what we see look at pictures

3. What the Fr**ce is that on the underbelly?



http://www.amics21.com/911/flight175/first.html

With that I am gonna say good night and get some sleep

Hope they dont come and get me in the night. LOL

Never know huh just never know.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Oh ps can anyone see windows in the second plane? I dont and those are the cnn pics ya can look at all the pics you want all over and listen to people that were there live , saying that was not a commecial plane and that it had no windows and it was grey and what not ... I heard the guy say that and I look at those pics I see exactly what the guy said he saw live the day it happened as they asked him , he was standing in the street and he explained what he saw.

peace

 

[Maveric169]

Well before we get too far into the conspiracy therory the attachment shows what the aircraft looks like. Now without some very expensive and hardcore image regeneration software you can do the photoshop filter work in the world but it is only going to render what the image has, not what could be. Being a bit of an aircraft nut myself there doesn't look to be anything "attached" to the aircraft, the low res image quality as it is only a 16 bit, 8 channel image makes the possible lighting effect all the more suspect in this "attachment" therory.
Without a high res image (perferabley from the source original) it is just therory nothing more. Although the lighting of the "objects" just don't add up with possible shadows. But again, your dealing with images that were already modified, enhanced, and altered. Had these not been altered then there might be something to it, but with altered images for web and print by the media there is no way to say that what you see highlighted in the photos are actually there and not a artifact of the image alterations.

WRT some of the other claims made by that link site, some are just dumb. Like the whole banking bit, they obviously have never tried to fly a large aircraft even in a simulator. Hitting a building is not as easy as one might think it would be. The larger the aircraft and the faster you go in it, the harder it gets. So that whole suggested point is totally out of the window. Along with the comments by experts that are saying, "no one would turn the plane like that, it is just not safe". What the hell would hijackers care about safe flying? There going to crash the damn thing, and there not professional heavy jet pilots. I also love the claims that they had to tamper with the computers to fly it. No. Sorry. It takes nothing to imput destination info into the auto pilot, hell it helps you do it for gods sake, from there you just turn the auto pilot off and fly manually. Not rocket science.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

For Benny your people are at least open about killing and attacking arab's for any good reason, you invade towns , slaughter children, woman and your leaders are proud that they do it. Then of course in your defence, well the fathers and sons and brothers of the people your leaders murder are killing your woman and children and brothers and sons, so in your case its normal to kill and murder, I might be a father of 5 kids and in my 40's but I am not stupid and I dont live my life in front a a tv, your insult was out of place and personal, if it was not for the US your country would be wiped out and all your people as well , makes no wonder you take that camp.

Yup, your right, thats me! I'm just a guy who likes to kill inocent people.
Hell, invading a town and murdering all the woman and children is a pastime for me!
You ever been to a palestinian refuge camp or even an israeli city that your such a huge specialist of midel-eastern affairs? or are you just making up the gaps of what you see on TV?
By the way, I had no idea your 40, I'm just at awe that adult people can admire michael moore. I wasn't trying to get personal or anything.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

Oh ps can anyone see windows in the second plane? I dont and those are the cnn pics ya can look at all the pics you want all over and listen to people that were there live , saying that was not a commecial plane and that it had no windows and it was grey and what not ... I heard the guy say that and I look at those pics I see exactly what the guy said he saw live the day it happened as they asked him , he was standing in the street and he explained what he saw.

peace

See windows, no, I was just distracted by a blue-eyed palestinian child I was just slaughtering, sorry... we make matzos out of their blood you know, and pasover is so near.
Back to subject then! Grey? no windows? Must have been an elephant!!!
Imagine that, the evil US goverment led by Beelzebub himself are using inocent animals (African no more no less! PURE RACISIM I TELL YA!) as an excuse to start oil wars! THE BASTARDS!

Nothing personal here Kermit, and I don't think your anti Jew. I just think that you should at least judge yourself by the same standarts you judge others.

 

[ThePatriot]

Well before we get too far into the conspiracy therory the attachment shows what the aircraft looks like. Now without some very expensive and hardcore image regeneration software you can do the photoshop filter work in the world but it is only going to render what the image has, not what could be. Being a bit of an aircraft nut myself there doesn't look to be anything "attached" to the aircraft, the low res image quality as it is only a 16 bit, 8 channel image makes the possible lighting effect all the more suspect in this "attachment" therory.
Without a high res image (perferabley from the source original) it is just therory nothing more. Although the lighting of the "objects" just don't add up with possible shadows. But again, your dealing with images that were already modified, enhanced, and altered. Had these not been altered then there might be something to it, but with altered images for web and print by the media there is no way to say that what you see highlighted in the photos are actually there and not a artifact of the image alterations.

WRT some of the other claims made by that link site, some are just dumb. Like the whole banking bit, they obviously have never tried to fly a large aircraft even in a simulator. Hitting a building is not as easy as one might think it would be. The larger the aircraft and the faster you go in it, the harder it gets. So that whole suggested point is totally out of the window. Along with the comments by experts that are saying, "no one would turn the plane like that, it is just not safe". What the hell would hijackers care about safe flying? There going to crash the damn thing, and there not professional heavy jet pilots. I also love the claims that they had to tamper with the computers to fly it. No. Sorry. It takes nothing to imput destination info into the auto pilot, hell it helps you do it for gods sake, from there you just turn the auto pilot off and fly manually. Not rocket science.

I really like the photo you added, shows how easy it would be to mistake an aircraft of that type as having no windows. Same feeling here, I am somewhat of an aircraft nut myself. Go to every airshow I can, and there doesn't look to me like anything on the bottom of that plane. Also...I really don't understand the whole firing a missile just before crashing the plane in. Ummm, seems a little redundant and silly to me. Why fire a missle into the building when you are about to hit it with something that packs waaaaaay more punch? Just doesn't make sense.

Good point on the flight dynamics of a 757. Big airframes like that don't handle like the F-16's you see on TV. I like to compare it this way...the F16-types are like Ferrari's...light, nimble....the 757-types are like your average Greyhound bus. The faster you go, the harder it is to get it to do anything.

Very level-headed views!

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

From what I understood there is something in those plans that as soon as there is a hostile takeover the control of the plane is no longer in the hands of the pilots, its a safty measure in place to take control of a highjacked plane and make it land, now to be able to bypass this system was the question raised.

The flash before the plane enters the tower ? MMM I wonder there is a whole bunch of images that a university in spain has worked over and with all kinds of filters, I dont know if you just looked at the one shot on that page or went into the links and read beyond that, also there is a spanish newspaper ( 100 Years Old ) that has published articals about these findings.

The plane that they say was used to hit the towers as fas as I know ( will go back and look ) was the exact same type claimed to be used for the pentagon so it would not be the grey but the SILVER one .

Hey what do I know some fool says you dont turn a plane like that its not safe , yeah ok maybe he was like messed up , I heard people say things and there was no way to explain it. The people that were around the pentagon I must have read 30 eye witness reports , and after that its very clear there were 2 planes involved one was the killer jet.

This is a very complex issue and I am sure in about 40 years or so we might get the truth.

For Benny yes I think you should choose to defend the present situation like I said if it was not for the Britsh and US you would not have a Country so I fully see why you choose your camp.

 

[Tabula Rasa]

For Benny yes I think you should choose to defend the present situation like I said if it was not for the Britsh and US you would not have a Country so I fully see why you choose your camp.

I'm not defending anything, I just don't like speculations and consipracy theories .

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Like them?

Do you walk around in the world thinking everything you see is real, or that nothing evil happens? Did you read the abc report?

Have you read anything at all yet?

There is not just some potheads talking jibberish, there are former CIA agents Mr Ruppert going around speaking in Schools in the US on these very subjects , he has walked into live meetins demanding to be heard and people have no choice but at least look into things.

I for one find it amazing on how much information that we can find and storys from all the major papers , all about the poppy feilds in afganistan, the pakastani's the oil pipelines , the investigations of corupt swiss banks, it is a wicked web of decet and evil, the offices of the fbi were in the WTC where all the records for the on going investigations were and people that knew what was going on were in the WTC and are now DEAD , your own leaders pulled out a short time before and refused keep their offices in the WTC, life is speculation and a theory ... but if you would take alook at some of the things and you will see the people that are in charge and make the most $$ are the ones that always in charge and keep on making all the $$

Notice how you never have anyone in charge who is not a Millionare ?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_frameup.htm


BELOW ARE THE DISTURBING REPORTS THAT THE
MEDIA AND CONGRESS MUST LOOK INTO:

· The insider trading profits made off the tragedy now may lead to an
investment house chaired by the #3 man at the CIA. Is this why it was
DROPPED by the media when they realized it wasn't Arab Terrorists who played
the stock.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html

Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK:
http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=99402 (archived)http://web.archive.org/web/20020205065020/http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html

· ABC News.com's May, 2001 story exposes recently released documents that
showed the US Joint Chiefs of Staff actually planned to foment domestic
terrorism to whip Americans into a pro-war frenzy. This was in the 60's but
it shows that the highest echelons of our govt. have actually considered
terrorizing their own people for political gain.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html

* The French Newspaper, Le Figaro reports the CIA met with Bin Laden in
Dubai, in July 2002, only 2 months before the
9-11 horror. A German translation of this report can be found at:
http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html

Consider why Anthrax was sent to the top Democrat's office? Wouldn't foreign
terrorists want to "divide" our nation, rather than "uniting" the opposition
behind the war effort? (food for thought, considering that reports reveal
the Anthrax strain sent to Daschle's office more resembles Anthrax created
by the US military than that of Iraq or Russia).

[New Scientist | 19:00 24 October 01 Anthrax Bacteria Likely to Be
US military Strain Debora MacKenzie ]


here look at some of the titles of stuff you have never even pondered I am sure this is so big its impposible to understand UNLESS YOU READ dammit

Its all about READING this stuff is not all on websites made by nobody's most all of the stuff is from the REAL WORLD not the one you are shown front page or on TV its all there just start to read.

BUSH = CIA = OIL

Nobody in the world can deny that. Then go from there but it will not matter if it is BUSH or anyone else unless the whole thing is blown wide open it will be the same but just a different front.

peace benny

I dont think your happy about those people being murdered everyday where you are.

 

[gonaads]

I really like the photo you added, shows how easy it would be to mistake an aircraft of that type as having no windows. Same feeling here, I am somewhat of an aircraft nut myself. Go to every airshow I can, and there doesn't look to me like anything on the bottom of that plane. Also...I really don't understand the whole firing a missile just before crashing the plane in. Ummm, seems a little redundant and silly to me. Why fire a missle into the building when you are about to hit it with something that packs waaaaaay more punch? Just doesn't make sense.

Good point on the flight dynamics of a 757. Big airframes like that don't handle like the F-16's you see on TV. I like to compare it this way...the F16-types are like Ferrari's...light, nimble....the 757-types are like your average Greyhound bus. The faster you go, the harder it is to get it to do anything.

Very level-headed views!

Now it could also be that whatever flight that was intended to attack the Petagon didn't make it there, soooo plan B, shot it with a Missile.


Theory... only theory. But it is a possible senario. Not saying that is what is. Just thinking out loud.

Which usually gets me into a lotta shiit.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/072904_coup_detat_america.shtml

 

[ThePatriot]

Now it could also be that whatever flight that was intended to attack the Petagon didn't make it there, soooo plan B, shot it with a Missile.


Theory... only theory. But it is a possible senario. Not saying that is what is. Just thinking out loud.

Which usually gets me into a lotta shiit.

Ahhh, I think I got off track there. I thought we we're talking about one of the 757's looking like it had something attached to the belly. My bad. Yes, it's a possible scenario.

The old catch-22....think too much, get it deep doodoo....don't think enuf, get in deep doodoo. At least my wife is always telling me I'm doing one or the other...

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

"Useful Crisis"
The assumptions and rhetoric behind Homeland Security are nothing new. They echo an earlier statement by David Rockefeller to the United Nations Business Council in 1994:

"We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."

Similarly, in the words of Zbigniew Brzezinski in his book, The Grand Chessboard:

"…it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus [in America] on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat."

It is worth mentioning that Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was National Security Adviser to President Jimmy Carter, was one of the key architects of the Islamic brigades created by the CIA at the onslaught of the Soviet Afghan war (1979-1989). (See Brzezinski at http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.print.html )

More recently, General Franks, the CENTCOM general who led the military campaign into Iraq, pointed in an October 2003 interview to the role of what he called a "massive casualty-producing event." (See "General Tommy Franks Calls for Repeal of US Constitution" November 2003, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/EDW311A.html , see also http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402A.html).


Oh my what can we do huh guess we just better not read these things even though thet are being said by REAL PEOPLE not just some websites

Man I wish more people WOULD READ

and not just the articles in Playboy even though thats the only reason I ever looked at them.

lol

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Consider first that the intelligence breakdown that led to 9/11 appears to have been a consequence of the Bush Administration telling the Federal Bureau of Investigation to back off on its investigation of Middle Eastern terrorism. A senior FBI investigator resigned from the agency, noisily claiming its main obstacle in the investigation was Big Oil's political influence. In an ironic twist of fate, the agent died in the World Trade Center.
(Fox Mulder, was that you? Is that why they cancelled the series?)

Ok well with this I am going into hidding because thats just too much , THE GUY WAS FBI and said as plain as day THE OIL .. now WTC AND DEAD .

yep yep yep I wonder how we can deny this maybe we can say he was a drunk or he slept with teenage girls oh wait we dont need to HE IS DEAD.

Now I wonder who was walking in that hallway in the Pentagon when they fired the misstle at it. ??

Oh dont be silly they would never think about killing 1000's of people to create the FEAR .. no wait we have proof they would.

Damn what part of all this does not fit?

I say OJ did it in the WTC with the Anthrax