yoy miracle needed hey yoyo, (or anybody else who can get this done if it's at all possible) man, you came up with those other incredible hacks I asked for, (get rid of "address" word in tool bar and "open in mozilla" in the right click). so I think there's a chance you can figure thiw one out. this one would be unbelievable if you can do it you know the tool bar right under the title bar in ie? is there any way to make the bar transparent? the words the icons and the address bar would still be there, but that ugly gray bar would be transparent...or maybe we can change the color...anthing like this would be very special can do?