I have a problem, (as most will know from reading my posts ) I have win XP installed on a 10 gig partition of my 40 gig IBM deskstar 7200 rpm When it is just win XP (no apps or proggies installed at all) installed it boots up very quickly and you are able to use the computer without any probs. I installed Norton system works onto a clean install of win XP and it boots up without any probs and loads the anti virus, now here is the interesting bit, it takes another minute at least (normally more like two or three) before the firewall will load and you are able to use the computer without any probs, until that you can open a few things (heven help you if you try to open a proggie as the firewall kicks in!!!). I have checked the processes you can see when the firwall and stuff kicks in. I also have two MSN messenger icons on startup!!? once you drop your mouse over the top one of them disappears as you would expect if the proggie wasnt supposed to be running or working properly) . I have checked and can only see one instance of msn messenger process running. I have also had this problem with AVG anti virus and panda anti virus software (using zone alarm firewall) and they take the same amount of time to start on boot up. This is the first time taht i have seen this prob with a firewall as before it was just the anti virus taht was taking ages although zone alarm was working fine an dloading straight away. As i said before this has been a clean install of XP on fri night and i havent installed and uninstalled anti AV's or firwalls or indeed anything at all. Any ideas?