falconguard said:you can debate it all you want, but ultimately do you have the right to impose your opinion on a woman? Where is the equal right, equal freedom outrage? to argue that you have the right over a womans reproductive process reduces that woman to nothing more than a reproducing factory, with ownership rights to whomever has claim.
I thought we did away with slavery and ownership of people? Is this not the USA?
Stem cells are cells that are free of any genetic marker that tell them to grow up to be kidneys, livers or brains, hence the word stem, when given the right marker they can be coaxed to grow into something else, as Lord's cornea example. The cells have to be live, aborted fetuses are dead material and thus don't have viable cell use. Stem cells exist in the Zygote and some can even be harvested from umbilicals.
I see your point, but unfortunately by using the fetus it is akin to saying it is ok to abort. It sends the wrong message.Brad said:If a fetus is going to be aborted anyway, whats the use of just throwing it away? Would it not be a better idea to get some use out of it?
While I can see issues where a pregnancy might not be the best idea, I must disagree with abortion even in those cases, because in my eyes, it is a very selfish person that would take a babies life because of a "mistake", even if it were to preserve their own life...i.e. medical reasons.Sazar said:Factoring the role of a man in the creation of life, it is disingenious to say that they should have no say. Now if the matter were of a woman I did not make pregnant and the man in her life did not give 2 hoots, I am all for allowing her to do as she pleases. Same in the case of a woman's life being in any medical danger.
LordOfLA said:To quote Star Trek: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
ThePatriot said:it is a very selfish person that would take a babies life because of a "mistake", even if it were to preserve their own life...i.e. medical reasons.
I agree with this post in the entiretyBrad said:I myself don't think that abortion is right. I just don't think that it is my right to impose my view upon others and think that abortion should be illegal. If a woman wants to get an abortion, it is her own business. If she wants to get one, she will get one, illegal or not. I would rather she get it at a medical facility rather than some guy with a hanger. But, the republicans feel that it is their right to police everything and everyone that doesn't affect them.
I disagree (almost) entirely...I don't think it's right for me to impose my view on other people, male or female...of course, that rule doen't apply to situations where they are taking away another humans life.perris said:I agree with this post in the entirety
ThePatriot said:I disagree (almost) entirely...I don't think it's right for me to impose my view on other people, male or female...of course, that rule doen't apply to situations where they are taking away another humans life.
Repulicans are trying to do EXACTLY what this country needs. Make you responsible for your own actions/inactions.
that rule doen't apply to situations where they are taking away another humans life.
Sazar said:Life is being destroyed here in anycase.
I see no outcry over the destruction of embryo's in fertility clinics. Further the conception in this case is "un-natural".
If one can consider embryo's to be life created in a petri dish then why not an argument over the destruction of all the embryo's that are thrown away? Why the outcry over the use of the same embryo's for something to SAVE LIFE?
We are talking about a viable, already living person's life being saved.
The PR in this case is with regards to the surrounding circumstances. Life at conception is a brilliant idea but it is not viable nor self-sustaining which is why I do not personally subscribe to it. Further it is conception in natural circumstances, not a test-tube or petri dish or at least thats what I THOUGHT it was supposed to mean
While agreeing or at least condoning the creation of life in a lab and then disagreeing with the use of embryo's which were going to be destroyed anyways for research smacks to me of hypocrisy.
Please explain why those embryo's cannot be used for research?
falconguard said:you can debate it all you want, but ultimately do you have the right to impose your opinion on a woman? Where is the equal right, equal freedom outrage? to argue that you have the right over a womans reproductive process reduces that woman to nothing more than a reproducing factory, with ownership rights to whomever has claim.
I thought we did away with slavery and ownership of people? Is this not the USA?
And it could be asked what about the rights of the unborn child? Slavery was allowed because people with black skin weren't considered human. So it was all right to enslave them. You do not have the right to take another's life unless it is in self defense.
perris said:an embryo doesn't have to be self sustaining to be alive, but if it needs a host to go forward, who is anyone to force a women to be a host if she doesn't want to be?
if there is no host, it will die if it's not used for research...it's life can have meaning or be tossed away.[/quote
What gives anyone the right to kill their child because they don't want them? And where do you draw the line? I've heard people say that if a woman has a failed partial birth abortion it's fine to kill the baby after it's out of the womb! Even though it is no longer in the woman. If a person becomes pregnant by willingly engaging in sex than they have a responsibility. That goes for the man as well as the woman. Too many people today don't want to take responsibility for their actions. You need to live up to the consequences of your actions.
Liam2198 said:What gives anyone the right to kill their child because they don't want them?
You need to live up to the consequences of your actions.