Ram/memory problems....

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by Salincer, May 7, 2007.

  1. Salincer

    Salincer OSNN Junior Addict

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    Okay so i play this game called World of Warcraft and every now and then i get a error says cache cannot be found. Blizard tells me that there might be something wrong with my ram, so then it tells me to use Windows Memory Diagnostic test. So i do it and it tells me that i failed some test. So i take out the 512MB kingston ram i bought to upgrade my comp out, run the test, and it says its fine. So im like. theres something wrong with my 512mb ram. So i take out the 256mb panasonic ram that came with my computer and put the 512mb back in, and test it, and it pass's also. I have no clue whats going on but id like to know if anyone knows a solution to this problem.

    I Have a Compaq Persario 3400+ AMD Sempron Processor, 994 MHz., 704 MB of Ram running Windows SP2. It came with a 256mb panasonic ram. i added a 512mb kingston ram.

    Thanks, Salincer
     
  2. LeeJend

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    If you really want to check your memory download memtest (a free utility) load it on a floppy and run it.

    Not finding the cache is a memory allocation problem, not a memory hardware problem. Sounds more like an OS or WOW problem.
     
  3. X-Istence

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    It is a Compaq, problem found.

    Seriously, Compaq's never play nice with different brands of ram in them. Having owned a Compaq myself I can honestly say it was the worst computer I have ever owned, especially when it come to memory upgrades, it would only take a certain brand or it would fail, and it would only take a certain size per slot. Ugh.
     
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    fitz Just Floating Along Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    I would have to say the worst computer I ever owned was my old 386sx made by packard bell.. *shudder*

    PC World in their article of the "10 worst PC's of all time" agrees with me..
     
  5. Salincer

    Salincer OSNN Junior Addict

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    Its not a WoW problem. I ran Windows memory diagnostic(similar to memtest86) and it fails. But X-Istence, i think your right. Compaq is crap. I really regret buying this computer. But what i did was take my 256 Samsung (not panasonic..i thought it was) and ran wow for a good 2 hours without any errors. So theres something wrong with running 2 ram sticks at a time. I guess i should buy another kingston and ebay this samsung off?

    Let me give you some of my errors

    "This application has encountered a critical error:

    ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception
    Program: C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Desktop\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
    Exception: 0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 001B:006FB953

    The instruction at "0x006FB953" referenced memory at "0x000001D4".
    The memory could not be "read"."


    And also




    This application has encountered a critical error:

    ERROR #131 (0x85100083) File Corrupt
    Program: C:\Documents and Settings\Compaq_Owner\Desktop\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe
    File: Data\common.MPQ

    Cached Read = Decompression failed
    Raw Read = ReadFileUnbuffered() Failed
     
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  6. LeeJend

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    On the second failure - If the file was cached it was not in your main memory.

    Before you buy more ram for what might be a suspect machine-

    Read the 2 RAM sticks with CPUz and write down the memeory timings.

    Then go into BIOS and set the memory manually to the timings for the slower stick. The Bios might be stupid and using the timing for the faster stick. For that matter check the memory timings vs the actual settings in cpuz.

    PS thanks for the Compaq comments. I WAS looking at a presario.
     
  7. ray_gillespie

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    Perhaps you should buy another computer and ebay this compaq off! :)

    Sorry, only joking.
     
  8. Salincer

    Salincer OSNN Junior Addict

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    I ran memtest, and like as WMD, it failed. But im at school right now, but i looked into reserching BIOS. You can do alot of damage if you mess something up right? But then you can improve the performace of your PC correct?

    Thanks again
     
  9. Salincer

    Salincer OSNN Junior Addict

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    Alright i have both ram sticks out of my computer. Let me read what they say

    Kingston KVR
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    99c5216-028.Ao0LF KVR400/512R
    2635817-1292734 740617076349
    ASSY IN CHINA(1) 26V


    Samsung
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    PC3200U-30331-Z 256 DDR PC3200 CL3



    Yea.. So does that help any :speechless:
     
  10. LeeJend

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    The second one tells me something the first one is useless. Just put them in and read them one at a time with cpux. All the details on the stick spec's are stored on the stick in memory.

    Ok, found some spec's on the kingston and it looks like it is a CL3 and the samsung is CL 2.5 If the bios auto detects the two sticks and tries to run at CL 2.5 it may not work.

    So open the bios and manuualy set the RAM for 200 Mhz (half the Ddr rating) and set the timing to 3. That should force the bios to run at the slower speed sticks ratings.
     
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  11. Salincer

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    Im not sure if i can do that. i know how to open up the bios. but i dont know how to edit it. I dont allow it to let me change anything. My cousin googled my computer, and someone said that you are not able to mess with the memory bios
     
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    Sigh, thanks for convincing me not to get that Presario laptop I was looking at.

    Not much left to do then. My best guess is thatrunning RAM chips with different timings is causing the problem.

    You could try contacting Compaq and seeing if they will let you unlock the Bios since the computer is out of warantee.

    Never mind, I checked. Compaq will not help you and there is nothing on the web that indicates it is even possible short of installing a bios from another MB manufacturer (bad idea).
     
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  14. Salincer

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    I knew this computer was a bad idea to buy. Well will this work, if i buy the exact replica of the 512mb kingston and put it in my computer and take the 256 samsung out ?
    Or, should i buy a new video card? i have a ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 series. I believe its 64mb, but what do you think. Ram or videocard. Thinking of http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/XFX-...57386/catOid/-13011/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do would that work?

    I HIGHLY doubt ill buy another compaq computer.
     
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  15. dreamliner77

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    You shouldn't have to buy another stick of ram. The BIOS "should" auto-detect the ram and automatically run at the fasted common speed (CL3). Sounds like one stick of ram is bad.
     
  16. LeeJend

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    Put the Kingston in the first slot and the Samsung in the second slot. Then the bios will read the slow memory and setup for that. This might work. If you're not sure try all combinations of sticks and slots, it's low tech but faster than looking up the info on the MB.

    Basically Compaq has a stupid Bios that is using the speed settings for the first stick it sees instead of following the recommended procedure Dreamliner mentioned.

    I should have thought of this last night.
     
  17. Salincer

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    okay...so i bought another 512mb kingston ram..
    In my comp i have 2 512mb kingston ram identical.
    Error STILL shows up..
     
  19. X-Istence

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    A good friend of mine had this to say "Finding ram for a Compaq is like trying to find a virgin hooker. The chance is so slim, you are better off not trying"
     
  20. LordOfLA

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    I'd say to stop using kingston ram. We have over 400 machines at work that just plain crash or fail to boot with kingston ram installed, be it the dell servers or the servers we built ourselves.