Poor hardrive performance ?

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by box2k2, Feb 11, 2003.

  1. box2k2

    box2k2 OSNN Addict

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    Think my hardrive(s) might be causing a bottle neck:

    MSI KT4 Ultra
    Athlon XP 2000+
    256Mb PC2700
    30Gb Maxtor Fireball3 Primary MAster
    40Gb Maxtor D540 Primary Slave
    DVD Sec Master
    CDRW Sec Slave

    Windows frequently grinds to a halt. Using Task Manager I know that I have memory free and only 11% processor usage

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. RogerPhillis

    RogerPhillis Guest

    Have you switched on "Ultra DMA"In Device Manager /IDE Controller/Primary IDE Channel ?
     
  3. box2k2

    box2k2 OSNN Addict

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    all devices set to highest levels in windowes and bios.

    was thinking:

    1. the drives are rubbish
    2. best not to have both hdds on the same channel

    ?
     
  4. scriptasylum

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    Unless a drive is going bad I wouldn't say they are rubbish.

    You could try to seperate them on their own IDE channels if you can, but I have a similar setup and performance is fine.

    What happens if you remove the slave so just the primary OS drive is connected? You could also try cable select option, but it really shouldn't matter.

    Do you have the drives set up to power down after X minutes? If so, the added time to re-spin back up may cause the system to "freeze" for a few seconds. You can change this by viewing desktop properties -> Screensaver tab -> click the Power button. That's how it is on a Win2000 box (I'm at work) but it should be very similar on XP.
     
  5. box2k2

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    Haven't yet tried disconnected the second hdd. Was planning but just not gotten round to it.

    Just now I was downloading 3dmark03, playing Mp3 in WMP9 and installing Windows Media encoder7.1 and the machine slows to a crawl and won;t accept my input.

    Surely this should not be happening on a rig of this spec?

    The only thing I have set in the power options is the monitor, so I don't think spin up times are the trouble

    Might NAV2003 and Norton Firewall be contributing?
     
  6. scriptasylum

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    Possibly bad IDE cable? Try replacing the cable. I assume you are using the 80 wire one and not the older 40 wire right?
     
  7. Taurus

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    for sure. you need more memory. especally with programs like that running in the background. look in task manager and keep an eye on your "physical memory free".
     
  8. box2k2

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    Been watching that

    HAven't used all the physical memory yet theres always free stuff.

    The problem seemd to be the hdd being accessed and jamming the system up, almost as if it's hogging the system bus, as the processor usage and memory are fine when it happens.

    Tried running last nite with the firewall and nav off but no differnece :(

    I have just removed the slave hdd and things seem to be better... but its a little early for celebration
     
  9. box2k2

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    Just remembered:

    Bloke called George Breese mnade a program for testing HDD performance :

    http://www.georgebreese.com/net/software/

    Called HDSpeed

    Could someone do me a fovour and post their drive speeds?

    I have:
    Maxtor Fireball3 30Gb ATA133
    Bandwidth: 48Mb/s Sequential: 38Mb/s
     
  10. Taurus

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    IBM Deskstar 60GXP 40GB:
    bandwidth: 71mb/sec
    sequential: 22mb/sec

    Samsung SV1204H 120GB:
    bandwidth: 60mb/sec
    sequential: 36mb/sec
     
  11. box2k2

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    Given that both of those are ata100 shouldn't my ata133 device be capable of higher, or is the 5400 spin speed causing me trouble?
     
  12. scriptasylum

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    The lower RPM might make a bit of difference, but shouldn't be anything really dramatic.

    Not sure if that program you posted really means much but these are my scores:

    Drive 0: Maxtor 80G 7200 RPM
    bandwidth: 100.597 MB/sec
    sequential: 41.615 MB/sec

    Drive 1: WD 120G 7200 RPM 8MB cache
    bandwidth: 58.195 MB/sec
    sequential: 47.662 MB/sec

    Kinda weird since the WD scores better in other HD tests.

    You may want to give HDTach a try. You can find it at www.tcdlabs.com
    The demo version only works in Win98 though. The full version adds NT/2000 support and DOES work in XP.
     
  13. Nismo83

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    bandwidth Sequential
    Maxtor 40GB
    (7200 rpm)(2 MB Cache) 86.170 41.527

    WD 80GB
    (7200 rpm)(8 mb cache) 69.039 48.016
     
  14. Shamus MacNoob

    Shamus MacNoob Moderator Political User

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    wd 30 gig 109.7 bandwidth 52.5 seq
     
  15. jkipk

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    my pair of wd 60g/7200/ata 100's

    bandwidth 91.35 (both)
    sequential 48.xx (both)

    (whew) at least they both perform equally...


    Just thought of something though, maybe you could try and switch out cables. Sometimes cables can be p.o.s. or maybe got stretched or.....


    kip
     
  16. box2k2

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    :(

    Great! I officially have the 2 slowest hdds on the forum!
     
  17. jumpy

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    Maxtor 20gig/5400rpm/ATA100
    Bandwidth - 77.989
    Sequential - 38.994
     
  18. JohnnyGreb

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    IBM 102 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100
    Bandwidth: 89.349
    Sequential:41.722

    Maxtor 80 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133
    Bandwidth: 84.672
    Sequential: 45.226

    -JG
     
  19. TechSupport

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    seagate 408Mb: bw: 8.2 || seq: 6.4

    ok, im joking - i havent tested it (although i do have one in a box (made of cardboard - not in a pc lol) at my parents house :p)