Partition Magic - Bad Drive?

Discussion in 'Windows Desktop Systems' started by Mainframeguy, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    See the attachment for the error I am getting thrown at me by PM when I open it, this error message window pops up - drive is marked as BAD in yellow and I can do nothing with it other than format (which, true to error message, achieves nothing, leaving it in just the same state).

    Now I have looked at properties for another drive, to me looks like same architecture - Head and sector count/sizes matching. I have tried formatting from Admin tools - this seems ineffective also (not even sure if it runs a format, goes too fast).

    So - what am I to do?

    Drive is a BRAND NEW Samsung Spinpoint 80N 160GB ATA drive and at first format/XP install was all fine. Now it is definitely sick - using DriveImage to back it up ran very slow and HDtach confirms speeds down around 1-3 MB/S which is about 5% of what should be regular performance :eek: I looked at the Samsung site - but they seem to have no useful support tools. I have a MAxtor boot disc for PowerTools - but am reluctant to use that for low level format - anyone any comments on that or ANY ideas on how to resolve this issue? :confused:
     

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  2. Electronic Punk

    Electronic Punk Administrator Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    Do Samsung release any diagnostic tools?
     
  3. emeritus

    emeritus Beware the Monkeys!!!

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    I would go in to the BIOS and make sure the drive is being read properly there. If it is, use a MS-DOS boot disk and use fdisk to clear the drive, then reboot and use Windows XP to reformat the drive, or even us PM at that point.

    Here is the software page from Samsung:

    http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/support/b2c_support_search.jsp?eUser=

    This is for model number SP1604N, if this is yours, try it.
     
  4. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    I believe not...

    Emeritus - thanks for link (and yeah that was my model drive) but I went through that and the one download you get to is the one to enable recognition of HDs above 120GB (I think) which is already there with XP SP1 or 2 (I forget which)....

    Thanks to you both - but guess what? I fixed it - went into admin tools - deleted logical drive - then into PM - brought up a couple of warning dialog to fix flags in partition table - let it do that - then cameup with unused space which I was able to partition and restore to.

    I believe drive is useable now - there remains one problem - speeds is still an unbelievably slow 3.3 MB/s :eek: - So until I can fix that it is strictly for slow bulky storage :(
     
  5. Steevo

    Steevo Spammer representing. Political User Folding Team

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    Can you tell us how the mobo is seeing the drive?
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    And what mode windows is using to access the drive?

    Start->Control Panel->Performance and Maint.->System->Hardware->Device Manager->IDE (primary or secondary)->Advanced Settings->Current transfer mode

    Be sure that the box directly above has "DMA if available" selected. If it does and the drive is using PIO mode "X" that windows has slowed access to the drive to try and prevent CRC errors. It will force a drop every 2 errors I believe, and you must reset it in the registry.

    Ultra DMA mode 6->0
    PIO mode 4->0
     
  6. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    did you mean Master Cableselect Slave? If so it is jumpered as Master on the IDE0 bus - I use SATA for my C: drive and the spinpoint is my D: drive

    I have attached screenie of the window - it is allowing BIOS select at moment and that seems to set it up as DMA2 :eek: I am guessing you would recommend disabling BIOS selection and selecting UDMA5? I'll try that in a bit (not changing now because a backup is running of all my drives to my external Maxtor).
     
  7. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    attachment

    oops :eek:
     

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  8. Steevo

    Steevo Spammer representing. Political User Folding Team

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    H Heads
    C Cylnders
    S Sectors


    Using this basic drive ge im a tree we can determine if the board is identifiying the size of the drive correctly.
     
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  9. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    aha - silly me - see attached for info you want I think....

    (but also notice my problemo is n ow only speed and not G Omm E try ;) :p
     

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  10. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    having just done this the good news is HDtacb now reports 96.1 MB/s as my average transfer speed :)

    The bad news is that during the reboot there was some Device Driver type error that caused machine to hang without rebooting - I hit reset - on reboot drive is good for UDMA5 but the intermittent problem of my "disappearing" DVD R/W has struck again, and I am minus an optical drive!

    There's another thread for that though - rep-age for you Steevo on this one, you lead me down the right road after I made the drive "good" again....

    [EDIT] here is the thread for the disappearing DVD! [/EDIT]
     
  11. American Zombie

    American Zombie Moderator Staff Member Political User

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    I have used Max Blast 3 to zero fill drives (either quick or full) other then a Maxtor.
     
  12. koko

    koko Got Root?

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    just a thought...

    have you tried switching to that drive in dos and then typing "chkdsk /f"?
     
  13. Mainframeguy

    Mainframeguy Debiant by way of Ubuntu Folding Team

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    I was not clear enough - sorry me bad - this problem is completely fixed - drive is good and no longer at DMA2 but back to UDMA5 speeds (Ca. 100 MB/s) so AOK

    But thanks for the thought also.
     
  14. pdxgibby

    pdxgibby OSNN One Post Wonder

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    I've seen Parition Magic show "BAD" and outline a disk in yellow before. The disk still functioned properly (though not as quickly as the spec said it would), but partition magic didn't like something about it.

    I tried low-level formats that ran for days, high-level formats, repartitioning, etc. Nothing would work. Finally, I used ultimate boot disk to run some utils on it...and as I was removing my master disk and putting this disk as the master on the machine, I was forced to modify my jumpers from slave to master.

    Here's the thing, my drive has a sticker on the back for jumper setting for different drives. If your drive has 15 heads use this setting, 16 heads - use this other setting.

    I had it on the wrong setting. I jumpered it properly and voila...partition magic was happy.
     
  15. Hipster Doofus

    Hipster Doofus Good grief Charlie Brown

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    Welcome pdxgibby. :) Well how easy was that.

    I can't believe that all] the pics are still there. Ya for attachments. :D
     
  16. electrickpirate

    electrickpirate pirate extraordinaire

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    i've had PM tell me one of my 250ies was bad. gave me a heart attack. i went out and got a second 250, backed up my original 250. i used windows xp pro to format the 'bad' drive. right after the format, before i even did anything with it, PM said it was bad. so i used maxtors software. everything maxtor had said it was good. formatted it with maxtors software. PM still said bad. formatted it with PM, still said it was bad. that was over a year ago, i dont use PM anymore and the drive is 100%.