Im not sure how I did it but I found a way to load Outlook express without launching MSN Messanger. I did not uninstall messanger or rename the folder where it is located. I was going through my Program Files folder deleting empty folders and uninstalled orogram folders left over. I don't know which one I deleted that caused this to happen, but you might want to give it a try. Be sure to make a restore point before you do it just in case something goes wrong. Everything is working fine here though. Let me know if it works for you. Sorry for the long a$$ message.