l o t r with spoilers

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  1. Perris Calderon

    Perris Calderon Moderator Staff Member Political User

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    coud someone explain to me why Frodo had to leave hobiy land at the end?

    also, the official website is pretty darned cool...lots of features to it

    lots of peeps haven't seen this movie yet, so let's not merge these threads till most have seen it
     
  2. Grandmaster

    Grandmaster Electronica Addict Political User Folding Team

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    From what I understood, Frodo leaves with Gandalf and the Elves to go the the West. I don't know why, because I have not read the books.
     
  3. Perris Calderon

    Perris Calderon Moderator Staff Member Political User

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    hehe

    I knew that part, it's the part you don't know that I want to know
     
  4. Perris Calderon

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    so far nobody knows...I would have thought the reason was mentioned in the book

    I'm guessing it's a biblical allusion, as moses could not enter the promised land

    however, this is qualified when moses disobeyed god, as a punishment

    I'm gonna take a stab, that frodo failes, and tries to keep the ring for himself, and thus, is punsished...but this should be referanced if I'm right...if I'm wrong, then what gives?
     
  5. Khayman

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    It is in the book, but i havn't read it either! Although you see at the end all the ring bearers leave, the Elves, Bilbo, Frodo. I know its somthing to do with being a ring bearer. but i don't think its becuase he tried to keep it
     
  6. Perris Calderon

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    aha

    that doesn't explain it either, cause his buddy also carried the ring didn't he...he would be going on the boat as well
     
  7. Khayman

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    In the book, Sam bore the ring fgor a little longer than is apparent in the film, and did in fact put it on a few times to elude the orcs before entering Mordor. Hence, Sam was a ringbearer, and much later after Frodo's passing, Sam was allowed to pass to the grey havens too.
     
  8. Perris Calderon

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    there ya go...thanx

    ps...I thought you said you didn't read the book...you know an awfull lot that only book readers would know

    hmmm


    /me smells conspiracy
     
  9. muzikool

    muzikool Act your wage. Political User

    It seems that Khayman wrapped it up, but I thought I'd pitch in my thoughts based on the film alone since I haven't read the books yet.

    My impression was that the ring-bearers sailed to the "Undying Lands" with the elves, as has already been stated. Frodo mentioned something about The Shire not being the same anymore. I don't remember his exact words, but it came across as if the ring had poisoned him enough to where he could never view Middle-Earth/The Shire from the perspective that he had before.

    I assumed Sam did not go along because he did not bear the ring long enough for it to poison his mind to that degree.

    Another thought is that Bilbo and Frodo could have been somewhat of a threat to the new world because of their knowledge of the ring and what it was. That could be another reason that they left.

    There probably isn't a strict answer, but this reasoning made sense to me. :)
     
  10. leedogg

    leedogg Gojyone kawaiiiiiiii!

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    I also get the impression it has something to do with being a ring bearer. As you may or may not have noticed, all the beings which have or have had sufficient ties to magic left middle earth. Maybe it has to do with the destruction of the rings as sources of power, maybe it has to do with restoring things to a natural balance.
     
  11. Teddy

    Teddy Boogie Nights...!

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    I'll say one thing...this movie (not just RoTK) has been the most incredible ever!

    Never has a film had me so entralled, desperate for the next installment...nor have i ever had such a rush watching it at the cinema! RoTK...the battle sequences and as the fate of the characters were drawing to an end, never have i had such an adrenaline rush..i was literally shaking with anticipation!!

    A film of this quality doesn't come by very often..perhaps never again in our lifetimes!!

    I could watch these films over and over and never get bored!!

    I like!!!!
     
  12. Teddy

    Teddy Boogie Nights...!

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    PS I'm just ordering the three OSTs from www.cd-wow.com .....they all deserve my hard earned pennies!! The musicical score is an absolute class act...can you imagine it being any better?!
     
  13. muzikool

    muzikool Act your wage. Political User

    Agreed. Howard Shore did unbelievable work for this... wrote, orchestrated and conducted it all.

    As for the trilogy as a whole... there is no question in my mind that it is the greatest trilogy in film history.
     
  14. Bman

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    Another thing I didnt really like. The part on the mountain with the birds, I was told that they were not in the third book, only in the hobbit.
     
  15. Sazar

    Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    sam also goes just not yet...

    he goes at a later time afaik...