Intel is in major trouble!!!

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  1. Goatman

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  2. Sazar

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    sse3 is not as major as sse2... I think they are incl as compatability and nothing more...

    intel still has hyperthreading which continues to give them a MT advantage...
     
  3. Goatman

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    but AMD is narrowing the gap on how many features Intel has over it, HT is proving ot be useless in most cases due to the fact that hardly any software uses the feature, in fact some applications are slower with it turned on.
     
  4. j79zlr

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    Intel is not going anywhere.

    Hyperthreading is good for SMP enabled software, but does very little in actuallity, kinda like a 64-bit processor for 32-bit programs.........................
     
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    ARRRRRRRGH! Intel by definition can not be "in trouble".

    They have the market share and resources to smash into oblivion any competitor that annoys them. Think not? AMD rose to a CPU market share of ~25 percent. This annoyed Intel so they smashed them back down into the teens, made them totally consume there cash reserves (spelled research capital) and only stopped because it is better to have one semi plausible competitor than to be a government regulated monopoly (ask Bill Gates about that).

    Intel has 70-80 percent of the video chipset market (nvidia and ATI squabble over the rest). Intel again has over 80% of the CPU market. I haven't seen any numbers on the MB chipset market but assume they are in the 70-80's there too. And Intel is now muscling in on the flash memory market where AMD was dominant.

    Intel screws up regularly (PIII, some wimpy chipsets, now using silicon on silicon process for their 90 nm FABs) which gives AMD a small window to grab some market share back but AMD does not have the financial muscle (especially after their recent beating by Intel) to maintain that lead.

    All Intel has to do is switch to a silicon on insulator 90 nm process (or just sell crap until their next smaller geometry process is ready). These corrective acts only require a mountain of cash to survive and a little time. Intel has plenty of both.

    Intel has hyperthreading, higher clock speeds, an FSB 2-2.5 times higher than AMD, money and expertise to switch processes anytime they want, 64 bit x86 designs in the storage cabinet, on chip multiprocessing, and who knows what else. But they don't even need all that extra technology. They can just drop the price of a Celeron to $5 and the P4 Extreme to $100 for the 3.2 gig chip and they will annihilate AMD and still make lots of money selling MB and video chipsets.

    Intels only problem right now is their inability to control (or even expect limited competency from) Microsoft. Intel needs hyperthreading and multiprocessing enabled OS's and that's just too much for MS to produce in a timely manner. Look for IBM and Intel to make Linux the dominant operating system for desktops and servers.

    Intel in trouble, ROFLMFAO.

    The AMD killer - 4 gig, 90nm silicon on insulator, hyperthreading, 1gig FSB, 64 BIT x86 CPU, 512MB L2 cache selling for $100. Every AMD owner in the country would toss their old machine and be standing in line to buy Intel. There is nothing in that list that Intel can't have into full scale production by 4Q this year. The only thing discouraging them is the US Department of Justice.
     
  6. Goatman

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    The PIII was not a mistake... the original P4 was (williamette core).

    the sad thing is yes Intel does have faster FSB, and higher Clockspeeds... but they aren't faster!! AMD owns the CPU crown.... you are forgetting one thing about IBM gettin on the Linux bandwagon and co-operating with Intel on it... IBM and AMD are right together!

    But Prescott is terrible right now, it's a space heater, requires a 8 pound heatsink to cool it correctly. The quick release of the P4 EE shows that Intel does not have everything on the shelf like you say. If Intel had everything undercontrol they would not have released such a obvious stop gap measure like the P4EE.

    They don't have working 64 bit X86, they just announced they were looking into it, it's all been rumours out of Intel, and actual silicon from AMD...

    they already have, it's called Prescott and it runs hotter and slower than Northwood did.

    Enough said, Intel Fanboys are just worried cuz the speed crown is gone from their side of the street, and AMD now has 64 bit, faster CPU, better DRAM controller, faster SSE intructions, and is completely on track to switch to SOI 90 nm, They also posted a large profit in their last quarter.
     
  7. Sazar

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    that machine would not help :)

    amd has higher clocked systems coming out for socket 939 which will easily outperform prescott even with a 1ghz advantage... intel has a design problem... they have chosen to do less work per clock than even the northy in order to quickly ramp up clock speed... as of right now the prescott is no where near what it was expected to be... time will only tell what happens..

    in the interim amd is looking more and more attractive and it is faster :)

    -edit-

    btw the smaller process for prescott is not helping it out in terms of thermal dissipation... the jokes about amd being hot by intel fanboi's are now true the other way round :D

    plus features like cool n quiet will make OEM's happy...
     
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    Heh, I seriously doubt Intel has anything to "worry about."
    The whole CPU game is a cycle. Just because one is better than the other today, it doesn't mean it's going to stay the same way tomorrow. Intel's had the "crown" as you call it, for the longest time, and the ball is now in AMD's court. It won't be too long before the trend changes again.

    Besides, Intel still has the mobile market. The Pentium-M is unmatched when battery life and portability are key factors, and the upcoming Dothan core only promises to make it better than it already is.

    Just for the record, I wouldn't consider myself a "fanboy" with a bias towards any one side. It's just that the Intel being "in trouble" statement was quite amusing. I think it's great that AMD's line-up is getting better everyday. Competition is good for the customer, after all...better products, better prices. :)
     
  9. Sazar

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    intel has made some bad design choices this gen.. amd has made solid design choices... amd might well be able to keep its momentum longer once it ramps to 0.09 micron process and implement sse3...
     
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    C'mon, what about VIA and Transmeta?

    Seriously, how long til Nvidia jumps in this game too?
     
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    LOL@dreamliner. ATi owns nVidia :p
    C'mon people...it's not like AMD never made bad choices. Those bad choices didn't kill the company, did they?
     
  12. Sazar

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    nvidia has good mobo chipsets.. look no farther than nfroce2...
     
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    Some things to look forward to? ;)

    Goodness...dual-core Pentium-M's sound like fun :D

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20040229173249.html
     
  14. Sazar

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    tejas is currently producing 50% MORE heat than prescott @ SLOWER clocks... something to look forward to ? that is basically a dual core processor too :)
     
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    Currently? Tejas is scheduled for 2005, isn't it?
    Edit: Nevermind, I see what you're talking about. :)
     
  16. dreamliner77

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    I meant more like how long until nvidia starts making cpus.
     
  17. NetRyder

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    I still stand by my original statement though. Things are bound to change. It's a cycle. You must remember that AMD has had a history of "hotter" processors than the Intel counterparts. Where were all of you then? All I see is Pentium-III bashing :)
    Anyways, that didn't stop AMD from improving their manufacturing process to come up with their current offering. It's going to be the same case with Intel as well. Experimentation is not always successful, and mistakes only lead to better products in the end. All these "victories" are just short-term. Look at the big picture...

    Just pointing out that saying Intel is in trouble is quite a ridiculous statement. They're not going anywhere, especially since they still take the cake in the mobile and server markets. :)
     
  18. Sazar

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    nvidia is a fabless company... they won't be making cpu's unless they change that.. and it is highly unlikely to happen with their company structure...
     
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    Well Intel has had to reverse course as a result of AMD more then once but the biggest was the x86-64 though based on the fact those chips from Intel are due to hit the market next quarter makes you wonder if Intel had already figured out that it might be a good idea to go this way instead of the Itanium way. Yes they for all we know could have most of those things in labs testing etc even if they don't they do have resources to change that. As was state I think Intel hasn't really tried to forcely remove AMD from the cpu market just so it looks like there is another company that is standing up and fitting Intel so DoJ isn't on Intels back. As for Nvidia as Sazar said they don't own any fabs so it wouldn't work real well for them to enter the cpu market. Amd is the leader in some areas and Intel is in others who really cares other then fanboys as for the most AMD and Intel chips are fairly equal and offer a chioce and keep prices down.

    To be honest where would we be if it wasn't for Ibm Intel and Microsoft? As they are the sole reasons Apple doesn't rule
     
  20. Goatman

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    I didn't mean that Intel was in trouble as a company, I was so Naive to think that they would go bankrupt, I meant their current generation of CPUs was in trouble of being out paced by AMD's current offerings.