How to foil the RIAA

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  1. Petros

    Petros Thief IV

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    Copyright laws state that a copyrighted work can be reproduced without permission if it is not reporduced in its entirety, as in when newspapers quote entire paragraphs from copyrighted works, or when you see a page or two as a sample on Amazon.

    CDs are recorded at a sampling rate of 1411 Kbps, but an MP3 might be only 192 Kbps. So an MP3 is only 13.6% of the original work, thus it is legal to reproduce.

    What do you think? :)
     
  2. Sazar

    Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    entirety == length... ergo quality v/s length argument is null and void...

    newspaper issue == plagirism... bad form... amazon issue is valid due to it being a form of advertisement...

    on the other hand I think RIAA sucks bollox... :)

    now... if you 'sampled' the music and it was 4.11 mins long and you 'only' recorded 4.10 mins of it... :) I would be with you in terms of arguing that it was not a complete reproduction :D

    the first of the last second of dead sound :) don't really need it...
     
  3. 2z

    2z OSNN Gamer

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    dont break the law
    stealing is wrong ~ there is no valid excuse

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  4. jonifen

    jonifen pffff...

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    its not stealing really... as if the RIAA wanted to listen to the album, they could - stealing is really when you're taking a physical item from someone... in the process, removing their ability to use the item themselves :p

    There was something on "The Register" a while back which went into the details of "copyright infringement" and how there are so many loopholes to avoid punishment by the RIAA.

    It's still not right really, but I really believe music files should be readily available off the Internet for free (try before you buy schemes) with some sort of "limited-use" protection on the file.

    It's a real shame that the Kbps thing wouldnt be a loophole, but the time thing I think it would...
     
  5. 2z

    2z OSNN Gamer

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    yes it is

    taking without consent is unlawful

    ignorance of the law will not save you

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. jonifen

    jonifen pffff...

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    its not ignorance - its really not "stealing" unless the original owner loses his/her ability to use the product after it's taken.
     
  7. SkazzyUK

    SkazzyUK XP-erience Oldie

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    :confused: I wouldn't argue with 2z he has got a big metal baseball club and a fast pc :eek: watch it ! :cool:
     
  8. jonifen

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    never an arguement tbh :)

    Just a valid point on the word "stealing"
     
  9. 2z

    2z OSNN Gamer

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    a rose by any other name is still a rose

    Digital Millennium Copyright Act

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    /polishes big metal baseball club

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  10. Krux

    Krux Nissan Powered

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    RIAA sux0rs my nuts0rs! there are so many other ways to fix this problem but nooooooooooooo they wanna sue everyone! there was 3million people on kazaa last night.... I don't think its working.
     
  11. Teddy

    Teddy Boogie Nights...!

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    Sazar....stop using the word 'ergo'!!

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

    It's one of those things, you know, something you dont notice until someone points it out....then you notice it ALL the time!!

    :)
     
  12. Petros

    Petros Thief IV

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    Lol...I abbreviate it to "e.g.," but I use it a lot too.

    Leggo my ergo!

    Current status of Kazaa: 3.7 million users sharing 5.5 petabytes of information. Wow!
     
  13. Sazar

    Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    whats wrong with the word ?

    it makes a lot of sense... and is a nice little segue I reckon :D

    a one word segue... always kewl :D
     
  14. thebear

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    v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
    v. tr. To take (the property of another) without right or permission.


    thought i'd clear that up...

    The way I see this whole RIAA thing, is that I've paid them a load of money already (through the tariffs on digital media equipment and blank CDs which in turn I used for digital pictures and ligit music) that the mp3s I download have been indirectly payed for :)
     
  15. Teddy

    Teddy Boogie Nights...!

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    Nothing wrong with the word, just the amount you use it!! ;)

    :cool:
     
  16. gonaads

    gonaads Beware the G-Man Political User Folding Team

    Unless it's a picture of it, then it's a picture of a Rose... NOT a Rose. :D


    Digital Millennium Copyright Act is nothing but a ploy for the RIAA to impose it's will on every aspect of the Industry.

    And it is NOT stealing... it is a copy thereof... You don't make a copy of an Automobile, you steal it... you don't make a copy of a T.V., you steal it... you don't make copies of money (unless it's counterfiet... Then it's still NOT stealing :p), you steal it... you walk into a Virgin Records MegaStore, you steal the CDs not copy them... Should I go on??? :rolleyes:

    *polishes Two Z's seeking Missile* :p
     
  17. jonifen

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    Thats the point I was trying to make (thx for indirectly putting what I was saying into clearer words Gonaads :)) - I wasnt trying to justify why people download music, nor was I saying its right, but I was simply saying, its not actually stealing.
     
  18. avsdotcom

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    I can't believe ppl are trying to say that downloading music isn't stealing :rolleyes:

    Everytime a record/cd is sold the recording artist gets paid a royalty on the sale - so if u don't buy it,if u dl it instead, u are taking money from that individuals pocket - and that's not stealin g ?
     
  19. Tabula Rasa

    Tabula Rasa Stranger Than Kindness Political User

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    Some people will say anything and do anything to get something for free :rolleyes:
     
  20. jonifen

    jonifen pffff...

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    so using that theory, you'd be stealing MONEY, not the CD which everyone seems to think it is.



    I've never said downloading music is the right thing to do. I download music, and if I like it, I buy it (call it try before you buy). If I dont like it, I delete it from my computer... no need in keeping stuff I'm not gonna use.