I was having a read through a FAQ on doom9.org, when I found the following text: If a cakebox says 'Maxell', 'Verbatim' or 'TDK', do I get discs as good as in juwel cases? No! Princo has some time aso faked TDK codes, so that a cakebox labaled as TDK could very well be Princo, and Maxell - IDs are currently also used illegaly by an unknown chinese dvd-r manufacturer, making really, really bad discs. Some won't even work at 1x. If you want to be sure, buy juwel cased media only. Nowadays, Verbatim is packing cheap stuff into spindles (like CMC), and sells Mitsubishi media in juwel cases. Is this as bad as it sounds? I may have missed something, but is this implying that one could buy 'Verbatim' discs on a spindle and they may turn out to be $hite? Has anyone ever come across this? The phrase "If you want to be sure, buy juwel cased media only" is particularly alarming. I've bought branded CD-Rs on a spindle before and I have never had a problem.