yeah, vern i saw it might be much cheaper to get the hdd alone and such, but i might just get it premodded, there are xecuters that can be not soldered. soldering isnt that big of a problem i remmber i had my compound worker solder my xbox controlerr that i converted to a pc controller. but it is much easier for the xecuters. and here to put a chip it costs like 80 to 100 bucks, and they dont even have xecuters. and yeah you can turn off most chips now to play live, but my sister wont be playing live anytime soon, shes on dail up in sharm el sheikh so dont worry about live, she doesnt even know what live would do, i just want it so i can put all the games on the hdd, play any region dvd without getting the stupid dongle, all that can be dont with slayers auto evo-x installer its great, did it to my friends xbox!