Baseball Truth Poll

Discussion in 'Entertainment & Sports' started by tdinc, Feb 11, 2008.

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Who is Telling the Truth?

Poll closed Dec 7, 2008.
  1. Roger Clemens

    3 vote(s)
    30.0%
  2. Brian McNamee

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  1. tdinc

    tdinc █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Political User

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    Who is telling the truth?

    Brian McNamee

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    Roger Clemens

    my money is on McNamee
     
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  2. kcnychief

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    I say Clemens, although I fear I could be wrong :(
     
  3. BouncingSoul

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    It has to be McNamee. Either that or wait till Tiger is 45, he'll never lose, or what about A-Rod? He'll probably hit 50 home runs by the All star break.
     
  4. Perris Calderon

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    I never liked clemens, even when he was a yankee and always considered him a choke artist

    big game?...give the ball to someone else, game doesn't matter?...give the ball to clemens

    I said to all my friends the day he threw the bat at a ball player;

    "that's a juice head and that's a roid rage"

    I remember when he was pitching for boston, world series, he was sitting there cursing at the umpire, literally begging to get thrown out of the game, he couldn't bring himself to throw one more pitch

    never liked him and have thought he was on roids since that broken bat thing
     
  5. falconguard

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    Something that was on Bill Maher, Rafael Palmeiro went to congress and said he never used performance enhancing drugs, while at the same time he was the spokesman for viagra.
     
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  6. tdinc

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    McNamee has nothing to lose. Why would he embarrass himself? "The Rocket" should fire his lawyers because they keep telling him not to say a word.

    What a shame......
     
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    Watched the interleague game where he had to bat against the Mets. Dumb brick of a Mets pitcher couldn't even hit that big lard head. Bout tore up the remote changing channel. HATE BASEBALL!!!!!!!
     
  8. falconguard

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    Actually, he is defending himself, he denied plausibility, went to congress. On the whole he is defending himself more than bonds did, he even called a press conference.

    This might all be for naught on Clemens, as Mcnamee has kept actual needles as proof.
     
  9. Perris Calderon

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    I don't believe clemens buty thost needles are not proof, easily forged, all he needs is a blood sample from an injury

    I don't put it past drug dealers to falsify evidence
     
  10. falconguard

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    Not if the sample is mixed with HGH, Mcnamee was an ex-cop. To what purpose does someone even consider keeping around bio-hazard material?

    If Clemens had nothing to hide, he would see or actively give consent to a third party test, for HGH. He isn't doing that though, is he?

    He's taking the Floyd Landis route, deny everything, up until overwhelming proof is in his face, then he will say that the methodology is messed up.
     
  11. Perris Calderon

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    I'm not certain anymore falconguard but when I was doing research in this field, (you can find my name referenced in numerous steroid books such as "stopping the clock, death in the locker room and a host of others), injected HGH couldn't be determined with confidence by a laboratory even while someone was on it, now I believe they have a two day window whence they can determine an injectable...two days, even if that's improved, I surely doubt it can be determined months after your cycle

    I don't think that's changed, once matabolized the synthetic version of HGH looks exactly the same as when you produce it naturally\

    in addition, a person can induce natural production of HGH very easily, through diet and excessive you can get a much higher concentration in your blood then normal

    and it's really not going to be an indicator that you took HGH if you aren't currently on it anyway, I don't think there's any remnants once you go off your cycle, I could be wrong but that's where the technology was in this pathology when I was doing some of the research

    as far as "to what purpose does someone consider keeping around bio hazardous material"?

    well, that question sort of indicates my position, nobody does...unless he knew he was going to blackmail clemens in the future?

    see my point?

    also, it's only a hazard if Clemens has a communicable disease, transferred through blood (aids)

    it's not a hazard at all

    and we are talking about a drug dealer here, I don't give this evidence any credibility until someone shows me it can't be forged

    don't get the wrong idea, if you read my previous post, I am no clemens fan and I am pretty certain Clemens is a roid head

    but evidence is real or manufactured and this looks manufactured to me, I can't for the life of me figure out why this guy would "save it" unless he was planning on blackmailing the ball player which makes his testimony unbelieveable no matter what he says

    this particular "evidence" is worthless as far as I can see, much more decisive would be team mates under oath
     
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  12. falconguard

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    You mean like Andy Petite who already admitted to it? Just how much longer do we have to wait for him to admit it?

    The testing was recently done, I don't know how long your pathology study was, but this was in recent news to the Balco sample of HGH. So, if your study was done more than 6 years ago, it would not have any factor to current tests.

    Look, The whole thing was done to baseball as a whole, Selig hid his head in the sand and refused to acknowledge anything for 15-20 years. Fehr is equally as complicit, but until baseball goes to 3rd party random testing. I don't believe anything coming out of anybody's mouth when it comes to baseball.

    That is why I place more credence to Mcnamee, what possible value can he get out of this? Exortion of a player only works when there is a monetary gain involved. There is no way he can get anything out of this, except self incrimination before congress. Something he already copped to.
     
  13. Perris Calderon

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    I'm not defending clemens falconguard, I just give this drug dealer no benefit of any doubt

    what testing was recently done?

    the testing on the needle?...that's worthless and that's my point, you want clemens to submit to blood testing and I am telling you whether or not he used hgh the test will be ngative

    this drug dealer is providing a positive test on a needle, how exactly does that prove anything but the drug dealer wanted to blackmail clemens?

    as far as the needles testing positive wwith hgh, that would be becuase the drug isn't metabolized...certainly easily done as a tool of blackmail and that's the very point

    anyway, like I said, I believe clemens is a juice head so we agree on that point
     
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  14. Sazar

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    I agree with Perris here.

    And there is no way to test and date HGH and Steroids currently therefore even if there are traces, it doesn't mean anything at all. McNamee has a checkered past and before all this other stuff came forth, he had some credibility.

    Now, I am not so sure.

    Yes, Pettite stepped forward, but Pettite was not an abuser and had genuine injuries. I seriously fail to see why he is facing the music, so to speak.

    Clemens, it's very possible he took performance enhancing drugs, but at this point, I believe him more than I believe McNamee.

    For that matter, I am also in Bonds corner simply because of the manner of the case against him.
     
  15. Lawman82

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    I'm a Detective in law enforcement and what I have heard in this my money is on McNamee, he has stand pat with everything he has stated, were Clemens is trying to get support from anyone who will sit and hear him.