iPhone doomed from the start?

**ray_gillespie** · June 14th, 2007

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/0...ton_of_phones/

Check that article out on THG. It's very interesting, and I personally think that with the restrictions being placed on the phone with network choices and lack of a replaceable sim, the iPhone could be a bit of a flop.

What do you guys think?

**Shamus MacNoob** · June 14th, 2007

Flop

**madmatt** · June 14th, 2007

I thought about buying one and throwing it out the window into on coming traffic.

**Electronic Punk** · June 14th, 2007

but then changed your mind cos of the two year contract that comes with it ?

While I am a big fan of smartphones and happy to see people get one, this isn't really a smartphone is it?

**madmatt** · June 14th, 2007

I would buy it off contract. I love my 8525 and I won't give it up until they (AT&T) come out with a new HTC device.

However, I gave up on my dreams of dismantling an iPhone because I'd rather spend that money elsewhere.

Lastly, there is nothing "smart" about it.

Techno Child · June 14th, 2007

I would have considered it if they supported my current provider (Alltel) and if the hard drive would have been big enough to make my new 80gb iPod obsolete. It seems pointless to pay that much and still have to carry an iPhone and an iPod around just to bring all my music with me...

**LordOfLA** · June 14th, 2007

Doh clicked hope so ins tead of definatley not

**Sazar** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by madmatt

I thought about buying one and throwing it out the window into on coming traffic.

If it makes you feel better, I'll drive the truck that runs it over.

**Sazar** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by LordOfLA

Doh clicked hope so ins tead of definatley not

edited poll results to fix your unfortunate choice.

**ming** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by LordOfLA

Doh clicked hope so ins tead of definatley not

woh! didn't know there was a hidden option to choose that.. lol
Can't see "Definitely Not"...

**Geffy** · June 14th, 2007

If the state of Windows Mobile devices with Macs was better maybe not, but as it stands I would like to have a PDA which would sync with my laptop and not crash or fail every other attempt.

**muzikool** · June 14th, 2007

Wow, what a constructive bunch of comments here...

First of all, the early adopters of the iPhone should be people who have a lot of extra money to spend however they want. I will not, nor do I recommend that the average consumer, purchase the first-generation iPhone. Many of the problems/issues that are bound to present themselves can be fixed through the software, which is great -- but a good point that Techno Child brings up is tied to hardware, which cannot be easily changed.

In my opinion, the biggest question is how the soft keys are really going to work. I think it's great that Apple has taken a risk and developed a smart phone with no physical buttons. Will it succeed and be functional as designed? We'll have to see, but I'm not going to spend $500 to find out. There is some amazing technology in the iPhone, but if it's not functional as a phone itself then it's not worth it.

Ultimately, I think the iPhone is very, very good for the industry regardless of whether it succeeds or fails. Innovation drives innovation and results in better and more innovative products for us to choose from. We are already seeing the development of iPhone-like devices from other manufacturers, so somebody is bound to make it work. I won't buy a first-generation iPhone, though -- I'm actually not big on buying a first-generation anything.

**Sazar** · June 14th, 2007

The idea is good, but it is basically a PDA that functions as a phone. No more, no less. It is only innovative in so far as Apple is touting it as such.

There are plenty of other products on the market that provide EXCELLENT solutions for all facets of usage.

A snazzy ad campaign does not a great product make. Look @ safari for example. No matter how great and fast it is proclaimed to be, the product is a dud.

**ming** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by Sazar

The idea is good, but it is basically a PDA that functions as a phone. No more, no less. It is only innovative in so far as Apple is touting it as such.

Been using O2 XDA since 2004 and XDA Orbit. Phone & PDA as u mentioned with memory expansion on MicroSD card to store data, photos and mp3s.

**Grandmaster** · June 14th, 2007

^ To be fair, Safari is still in beta mate.

The iPhone is like one super sexy PDA. What's there not to like?

**muzikool** · June 14th, 2007

If you don't see innovation in the iPhone then you aren't looking closely enough. I don't consider it Bread 2.0, but it addresses existing functionalities from a completely new angle.

**Sazar** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by Grandmaster

^ To be fair, Safari is still in beta mate.

I remember IE7, FF2 and FF3 in beta too

I remember issues, I don't remember being frustrated by them. Nor do I remember them claiming to be the most amazing thing ever, either.

The iPhone is like one super sexy PDA. What's there not to like?

It looks good, no doubt. There are many other phone products that look great and some nice looking PDA's as well.

What's not to like? I'm not a big fan of proprietary crap.

I was strongly considering buying one, regardless, till some of the details leaked out over the past week or so.

I refuse to use iTunes on my system anymore and Safari sucks so I may not be able to synch the phone properly.

**rushm001** · June 14th, 2007

I would say doomed from the start

**madmatt** · June 14th, 2007

I changed my mind! I am going to buy one and ship it to Iraq! Maybe it'll cheer them up. If not, they will blow it up and all will be well.

**Grandmaster** · June 14th, 2007

Originally Posted by Sazar

Nor do I remember them claiming to be the most amazing thing ever, either.

You got Apple there...

It looks good, no doubt. There are many other phone products that look great and some nice looking PDA's as well.

What's not to like? I'm not a big fan of proprietary crap.

I was strongly considering buying one, regardless, till some of the details leaked out over the past week or
I refuse to use iTunes on my system anymore and Safari sucks so I may not be able to synch the phone properly.

Admittedly I haven't read into any of the details yet because I wasn't planning on buying one anyway.

But it's so pretty

Originally Posted by madmatt

I changed my mind! I am going to buy one and ship it to Iraq! Maybe it'll cheer them up. If not, they will blow it up and all will be well.

Haha

View Poll Results: Will you get an iPhone?
Not a chance	31	52.54%
Probably not	12	20.34%
I hope so, but not sure yet	8	13.56%
Definitely	3	5.08%
Wait to see how it functions in the "real world", then decide	5	8.47%
Voters: 59. You may not vote on this poll

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ray_gillespie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,692 Reputation: 1420 Power: 155	iPhone doomed from the start? http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/0...ton_of_phones/ Check that article out on THG. It's very interesting, and I personally think that with the restrictions being placed on the phone with network choices and lack of a replaceable sim, the iPhone could be a bit of a flop. What do you guys think?

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? I would buy it off contract. I love my 8525 and I won't give it up until they (AT&T) come out with a new HTC device. However, I gave up on my dreams of dismantling an iPhone because I'd rather spend that money elsewhere. Lastly, there is nothing "smart" about it.

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Techno Child web{designer} Joined: October 2004 Location: Myrtle Beach Posts: 871 Reputation: 680 Power: 107	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? I would have considered it if they supported my current provider (Alltel) and if the hard drive would have been big enough to make my new 80gb iPod obsolete. It seems pointless to pay that much and still have to carry an iPhone and an iPod around just to bring all my music with me... If I helped you then please thank me by clicking the star under my name.

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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK Posts: 7,031 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 4137 Power: 213	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? Doh clicked hope so ins tead of definatley not If HK-47 and GLaDOS had a child, the character they create would cause the video game world to overdose on awesome. -sheridanmovieguy: Dragon age forum user.

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muzikool Act your wage. Joined: December 2001 Location: Texas, USA Reputation: Yes, please. Posts: 7,626 Reputation: 2900 Power: 232	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? Wow, what a constructive bunch of comments here... First of all, the early adopters of the iPhone should be people who have a lot of extra money to spend however they want. I will not, nor do I recommend that the average consumer, purchase the first-generation iPhone. Many of the problems/issues that are bound to present themselves can be fixed through the software, which is great -- but a good point that Techno Child brings up is tied to hardware, which cannot be easily changed. In my opinion, the biggest question is how the soft keys are really going to work. I think it's great that Apple has taken a risk and developed a smart phone with no physical buttons. Will it succeed and be functional as designed? We'll have to see, but I'm not going to spend $500 to find out. There is some amazing technology in the iPhone, but if it's not functional as a phone itself then it's not worth it. Ultimately, I think the iPhone is very, very good for the industry regardless of whether it succeeds or fails. Innovation drives innovation and results in better and more innovative products for us to choose from. We are already seeing the development of iPhone-like devices from other manufacturers, so somebody is bound to make it work. I won't buy a first-generation iPhone, though -- I'm actually not big on buying a first-generation anything.

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Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? The idea is good, but it is basically a PDA that functions as a phone. No more, no less. It is only innovative in so far as Apple is touting it as such. There are plenty of other products on the market that provide EXCELLENT solutions for all facets of usage. A snazzy ad campaign does not a great product make. Look @ safari for example. No matter how great and fast it is proclaimed to be, the product is a dud. Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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ming OSNN Advanced Joined: June 2003 Location: UK Posts: 4,252 Reputation: 1160 Power: 162	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? Originally Posted by Sazar The idea is good, but it is basically a PDA that functions as a phone. No more, no less. It is only innovative in so far as Apple is touting it as such. Been using O2 XDA since 2004 and XDA Orbit. Phone & PDA as u mentioned with memory expansion on MicroSD card to store data, photos and mp3s. Curent system: Intel Quad Core 9450 \| 4GB RAM \| WD Raptor 36GB \| nVidia 8800GT 512mb

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Grandmaster Electronica Addict Joined: February 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 10,574 Reputation: 2960 Power: 260	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? ^ To be fair, Safari is still in beta mate. The iPhone is like one super sexy PDA. What's there not to like?

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Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Joined: April 2002 Location: Between Austin and Tampa Posts: 14,888 Reputation: 4110 Power: 313	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? Originally Posted by Grandmaster ^ To be fair, Safari is still in beta mate. I remember IE7, FF2 and FF3 in beta too I remember issues, I don't remember being frustrated by them. Nor do I remember them claiming to be the most amazing thing ever, either. The iPhone is like one super sexy PDA. What's there not to like? It looks good, no doubt. There are many other phone products that look great and some nice looking PDA's as well. What's not to like? I'm not a big fan of proprietary crap. I was strongly considering buying one, regardless, till some of the details leaked out over the past week or so. I refuse to use iTunes on my system anymore and Safari sucks so I may not be able to synch the phone properly. Help to find cures for Alzheimer's, Mad Cow (BSE), CJD, ALS, Huntington's, Parkinson's disease, and many Cancers. Folding@Home, is it in you?

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rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,480 Reputation: 1370 Power: 165	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? I would say doomed from the start

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? I changed my mind! I am going to buy one and ship it to Iraq! Maybe it'll cheer them up. If not, they will blow it up and all will be well.

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Grandmaster Electronica Addict Joined: February 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 10,574 Reputation: 2960 Power: 260	Re: iPhone doomed from the start? Originally Posted by Sazar Nor do I remember them claiming to be the most amazing thing ever, either. You got Apple there... It looks good, no doubt. There are many other phone products that look great and some nice looking PDA's as well. What's not to like? I'm not a big fan of proprietary crap. I was strongly considering buying one, regardless, till some of the details leaked out over the past week or I refuse to use iTunes on my system anymore and Safari sucks so I may not be able to synch the phone properly. Admittedly I haven't read into any of the details yet because I wasn't planning on buying one anyway. But it's so pretty Originally Posted by madmatt I changed my mind! I am going to buy one and ship it to Iraq! Maybe it'll cheer them up. If not, they will blow it up and all will be well. Haha