16:09 <@[ninja]> Linux isnt an os
16:10 <@SPeedY_B> well it's not a birthday cake..
16:10 <@SPeedY_B> unless you're meaning that it's a kernel
16:11 <@[ninja]> no, I just dont consider Linux to be in anyway an operating system
16:12 <@[ninja]> its an educational toy that can be used to demonstrate how an operating system could be built, but its not a proper operating system in its own right
16:14 <@SPeedY_B> wouldn't say it's a toy
16:14 <@SPeedY_B> but it definitely needs more focus
16:14 <@SPeedY_B> as it is rather "all over the place" at the moment on the whole.
16:14 <@[ninja]> its not ready for any kind of production use, and its far too divided
16:15 <@SPeedY_B> that's what guys like fedora and ubuntu are trying to fix though.
16:15 <@SPeedY_B> bit too late i reckon, will take a long time to turn around what's already been done
16:15 <@[ninja]> yeah, in time it might become an operating system, but I dont yet think it is
16:16 <@[ninja]> and I dont think any of the current window managers are ready for any kind of mainstream desktop usage
16:16 <@SPeedY_B> which is why fedora etc use a bastardisation of kde/gnome/whateverelsetheybakeintoit
16:17 <@[ninja]> kde and gnome, neither are ready
16:17 <@[ninja]> bluecurve is worse
16:17 <@SPeedY_B> kde's functional, gnome is pretty.
16:17 <@SPeedY_B> they need to combine
16:18 <@[ninja]> I wouldnt say KDE has the kinds of functionality that people expect from a mature GUI system like windows or quartz