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[Perris Calderon]

there aren't too many tournament players that can play cash games

if you want to use your reputation to get a particular action on your bet, why didn't you show your aces before you left the table?

 

[Perris Calderon]

here's a tournament I won;

this was a ten dollar tournament,five dollar entry fee, with unlimited rebuys

my strategy before the break is I can rebuy before the blinds go up once.

then I'm getting good odds, once the blinds double, you are getting half the chips for the same price, not good odds

this tournament, I won three hands before the break, that's it

about 100 people with everyone rebuying and adding on at the break means if I don't rebuy or add on I am playing against about 600 people

the three hands were nice ones for each limit and I have enough chips to loose one hand and still play one more, but I need to win a hand before the blinds doulbe again

I wn one more hand and lose a couple, getting to the final table with three chips

three chips but I'm in the money, getting about 25 bucks

second hand dealt, I have pocket kings, the blinds are 6 people away so I don't need to play this hand, obviously I want to though

well, three people go all in before it gets to me

I mucked what I was certain were the best cards, thinking against 6 players no matter what they had I am not going to win the majority of hands, I don't know how many will play, but at least four

if I fold and the all in's loose I automatically go from 10th place to 7th or 6th, with a HUGE swing in payout

I muck, of the three people all in, they all have an ace, so I am a monster favorite and am pissed I folded

the ace came on the flop...I would have been knocked out, instead I move up 2 spots in the money

I wait till my blind before I have cards to play, I have a 2 7 for my big blind

hehe...the raiser has a big ace

nothing on the flop, nothing on the turn, everyone thinkis I am going to get the seven, I said if I get anything at all I want the duce

DUCE!!!

same thing on my small blind, with only a few chips I went all in with a ragety hand and I WIN WITH IT!

long story short, I win this tournament

pretty exciting the way that final table played out

 

[j79zlr]

ok, put it into an odds calculator, here are the results;



from what I read, that's 1/10th of one percent the aces catch runner runner

Right, but he caught the third ace on the flop. He then had two cards to get the fourth ace. The odds are multiplied if he needed runner runner, e.g if the flop was KJJ, giving you

2/43 X 1/42

But he had two cards to catch one ace, hence the addition:

1/43 + 1/42

Sidenote: I knocked Chris Ferguson out of a $10 7-stud tourney on Full Tilt about 6 months ago, that was pretty cool.

 

[BouncingSoul]

Oh I showed em. I made it clear (without whining, I hate poker whiners) that I started with the best hand but lost. I'm not a huge fan of cash games, I've played a few at the bar and can't get anything going cause of how fast and loose everyone plays. I've won more than I've lost at casinos but its not a huge margin, and the only reason I'm ahead at all is that its limit as well. If you want to play cash games you have to be willing to play every hand I think. Just hope to get lucky.

Laying down the kings had to kill you, true the odds probably weren't in your favor and in retrospect you made the right move but still... I don't know if I'd have the sack to do that.

 

[Perris Calderon]

cash games I loose more money with aces then I win

this is becuase it's very hard to get off the handm I can get off of any other hand but aces are tough

 

[Perris Calderon]

Right, but he caught the third ace on the flop. He then had two cards to get the fourth ace. The odds are multiplied if he needed runner runner, e.g if the flop was KJJ, giving you

2/43 X 1/42

But he had two cards to catch one ace, hence the addition:

1/43 + 1/42

Sidenote: I knocked Chris Ferguson out of a $10 7-stud tourney on Full Tilt about 6 months ago, that was pretty cool.

aha...mental block, I didn't see he cought the ace on the flop

 

[Perris Calderon]

fergussen is an excelllant player, cash as well as tournament, that;s a nice feather in your cap j79

i drove mike carro to another table playing live stud...I knew every card he had and he kept trying to play against me when I raised

 

[BouncingSoul]

I think my only claim to poker fame against you two is that I at least know who both of those guys are.... such a loser I is.

 

[kcnychief]

I played in a Poker tournament last weekend, only 9 people but I came in second and won 60 bucks

First real tournament I had ever been in, only cash games before that.

 

[Perris Calderon]

in vanettian, no stud

1-2 no limit

third hand, I have teh button, teh pocket aces, there's a straddle, every single person calls tje 4.


raise to 25 to get the 32 bucks and be happy, the straddle calls, everyone else folds, perfect

flop, all rags, straddler flopped 3-6's, me broke third hand, go to bed, more poker manana

 

[Perris Calderon]

in venettian, one two no limit

pocket aces, the big blind, small raise before the flop, 9 callers

flop, two spades, nothing

I'm gonna check raise the turn so I slow play the flop unless the third spade comes...one of my aces is a spade so a third spade is not so bad, but it keeps me from betting

the turn puts up a spade and I have a tell on this guy, I think he has a flush, the better bets 20 bucks...that's the bet he would make if he had a flush, wanting me to call, and if he didn't have a flush so he could fold on a raise...this is a pretty good bet by him because I have to put him on a variety of hands and can't pin him down to anything firm

I put a deliberate tell that I want to raise, but not too overt so it doesn't look like acting

then I do something I'm not sure is going to work...I deliberate throw in a string raise hoping he calls me on it and my raise won't play

I do this becuase if he welcomes the raise and comes back I know he has a flush and I fold

the river puts up a pair which is a scare card for him but he would call if he has a flush

I check with the same action I deliverately check raised on three hands which I know he was watching

looking like I'm going to check raise, he checks along not wanting to get raised all in

he had a low flush so I save tons of money keeping him from betting the best hand

if he bets his hand right I am supposed to go broke, instead he only wins about 60 bucks

about an hour later, I have middle possition, smooth call with pocket 8's

I don't like middle pairs and try to get in cheap to catch a set on the flop, otherwise I muck...I muck on any big bet, say a 25 dollar bet I muck the 8 unless there are 7 callers.

the person to my left, the same person that cracked my aces put in a very small raise, 12 dollars

the entire tablle calls and I am mathematically wrong if I fold even if I think he has aces

btw, I do think he has a monster pair, since he was not reluctant at all with the raise and looked like he wanted a re raise.

I flop an 8 and I believe if I bet he'll re raise and kill my action, so I check

he bets 30 bucks, to my dismay, everyone folds

I just call, I don't want to take him off of whatever he has, if he has a bluff he'll muck, if he has aces I will kill his action on the turn.

I check the turn and he bets a "please call me" bet, 20 bucks

now I know he has aces and I know he's going to raise me back if I put in a small reraise and act like I have top pair ("let's se if you have queens beat")

as I expected, he reraises me all in

I have him covered, an additional 2 hundred bucks and take it down

the whole point is he could have won the same 200 from me the time he cracked my aces I scared him out of betting a great hand

then I convinced him he had the best hand when he needed a miracle to catch me.

moral of the story;

in no limit poker, it's not only how good your cards are, it's what you are able to make your oponents do...get them to bet too little when you have to call, get them to raise when they should be folding.

do not use this advice in any limit game...limit poker good cards are going to win the money and getting people to raise when they shouldn't doesn't get the big payoff that no limit presents.

you want to keep a friendly image in a limit game, you don't want the weak players leaving the table, you want them to have a good time.

 

[Perris Calderon]

this just happened hours ago, about 6 oclock vegas time

my friend is playing a triple draw five card low game, it's duce to seven for the low

the limit is 150 300 at the belagio and you probably have seen my friend on teh tube, his name is chad brown, he's won some big tournaments and hosts "ultimate poker challenge.

he's the guy that tought the basics of winning poker to me about 25 years ago wnen we were both entertainers

this is one rough game, people capping the bet drawing three cards for their hand

the hand I'm watching, Chad has a MONSTER draw, only needing one card to make a low that should never loose(his starting hand is duce, three, five seven rag...in this game when you say "rag" you mean a face card becuase face cards are worthless in duce to seven, a straight will loose the pot no matter how low the straight, for instance if you have a one two three four five you have a hand that cannot win becuase even if it weren't a straight it's an eleven low...in duce to seven a wheel doesn't really mean a 5 high straight, among players when they anounce a wheel they mean they have duce teonthree four seven )

capped every bet, each time chad is asking for one card and pairing up or getting the ace

the ace in duce to seven is always high, never low

the second to last betting round one of the players taps pat...meaning he doesn't need any cards to make his hand

the other two players (chad and a third player in a short table, five players before action) both draw, chad draws one card as he did the previous betting round, one of the players calling capped bets actually draws three cards...he does not belong in a pot with this kind of action

on the last draw chad catches a duce..for a pair low....it's not really that bad but considering one player already tapped pat a pair low just plain sux

the guy that tapped pat bets, chad folds his duce pair low, the other guy folds, and the guy that tapped pat can't resist and shows his hand even though nobody called the bet.

Spoiler: teh winning hand

he turns over trip fives, a hand that can't possibly win unless everyone folds...he set up the bluff by tapping good to represent at least a nine low, then he has to bet the river hoping nobody made something better then a nine

nobody did, everyone folds, this guy winns a HUUUUGGGEEE pot setting up a stone cold snow

EXCELLANT play against chad, one of the best poker players in the world

 

[BouncingSoul]

I am on the coldest run of cards EVER. For an hour yesterday I played no hands outside of my blinds. And I only played the blinds when they weren't raised. My best hand during that hour. K-8 offsuit. Otherwise I folded J-5, 8-2, 10-3, 7-5 and so on over and over and over. The only had I won during that time I was forced all in on my big blind with J-9 and flopped a boat. Otherwise I had nothing and lost very quickly. There was nothing I could do. And it's not like I was folding bad hands and then regretting it cause of an amazing flop. No I was getting bad flops too. That K-8 flopped A-A-Q, whenever I was suited the flop was either a rainbow or nothing of my suit. It was brutal. Oh well, freeroll so it didn't cost me anything. But it was the type of day that makes you not want to play anymore.

 

[Perris Calderon]

when I was in vegas last week I played perfect poker, didn't make one bad raise, not one bad fold

yet I lost three plays straight

here's the funny part...even though I lost for three plays, I didn't suffer one bad beat...if I had queens someone had aces, if I had two pair, someone had top two, if I had top pair someone had legitimate draw hands they were supposed to be calling with

finally made somewhat of a comeback on my last play, which I described above...got in cheap before the flop with a pair of eights, flopped a set and crushed aces

wound up loosing for the trip, but only a few hundred

 

[Johnny]

This reminds me. I have to install my party poker again ..

 

[Perris Calderon]

1, two no limit holdem, 200 dolar max buy in, winning a little bit playing an hour or two

me/kiing jack suited big blind, 1'st player under the gun, small raise, typically this player raises big with any pair, I put this is a draw hand, 4 callers...I am in position too weak to raise, I call so I can get away from the hand cheap if I don't see anything I like

flop, king, king, 3, all differant colors, I slow play, the original better bets small, obviously no king, believe it or not I put her on the three because she wants the money right there but would not bet with nothing...one caller who I am sure has a very week king to call any bet without raising

I slow play, hoping a three comes or some kind of draw to make her call the turn

the turn is a diamond for 2 diamonds, I put in 300 dollars, in case she has a diamond draw I want her to pay the wrong price...she thinks and thinks, finally calls...judging by what she is doing I am certain she has a three and 4 diamonds...one other caller, the week king

the river a diamond, she takes down the pot, ace three of diamonds, my read on her and the other player was of course, perfect

bad beat.

if I saw her cards, I want her to call, I make much more with her calling then folding even though I lose roughly one out of 4 of these hands

still, I'm steamed, leave the table to play some 20 40 stud

second hand dealt, a 4, 5,6 of hearts, no heart on the table, none of my straight cards, no 4 5 or 6.

there are very few hands I am an underdog too, obviously trips, but I am not an underdog to aces unless I catch a rag on 4th street

an ace on the table raises, a king calls, I call.

4th street I catch nice, a seven.

the ace bets, the king calls, I don't want to slow down the action if I catch a scary card so I just call.

some players try to buy a free card by raising, most of the time I'll do this if it's a timid table but in this case I want the ace to bet if I make the hand and I really don't want a free card, I want as much money in the pot as possible

5th card I catch a queen of hearts but the KING catches a king for the pair showing...I think this person does not have three kings, I think he would have re raised the ace on third street if he did,

I'm not worried about drawing dead here, I'm pretty sure if I make the straight or the flush I win the hand

6th card I catch a queen for queens, 4 hearts, open ended straight...a monster draw but a loser unless I inprove, for the king to check here means he was on a draw hand, he has 2 spades in the table and all high cards, he has a straight draw and a flush draw in my mind.

the river, I cathc three queens...the kings check blind and becuase I know he doesn't have two pair I can't bet becuase any draq he was on beats my three queens

I take down monster pot with three queens, go on to win 1500 for a 3 hour shif, this includes the 300 I lost in no limit holdem.

I gave a litle back because I think a player should never leave on a winning hand, you should wait until you lose something before you get off the table otherwise you can never have a monster shift

so, 1500 profit, my birthday is tomorrow and the casino bought me dinner at the finest restaurant of my choice, gonna drive home in about an hour

fun weekend

 

[Perris Calderon]

here's an interesting hand last week I wasn't involved with, thank goodness.

20 40 stud, low card to my right in a pretty timid game.

the low card (a three) comes in for the minimum, I call with a 6, 7, 8 since it's a timid game, not too much raising on third street

two people fold, a king raises, tight player...an 8 calls, not too tight but not too loose, an ace calls, a tight player, I'm putting him on somethink like a pocket pair, maybe good draw, or three aces since he would raise with a pair of aces.

the low card raises back!

he's tight, he has one of three hands, pocket aces, pocket kings, thre three's.

I of course get away from this hand as quickly as I can.

the king calls, the 8 calles, THE ACE RE RAISES (he has to have three aces, there is no other hand he can have playing like this being the tight player he is).

the three seems happy and I guess he's not putting the ace on a roll up, the king calls, the 8 calls.

fourth street was fun

the ace raises, caught a dead card, the three re raises, also caught a dead card, the king should fold but there's so much money in the pot he doesn't want to get away from this hand so he calls.

THE EIGHT WHO COUGHT A SEVEN RE RAISES!!!

the ace of course re raises, the betting is capped and the three just calls, the 7, 8 calls...now he looks worried

the eight catches an 8 for a pair of eights...HE CHECKS!!!

the ace bets, the three re raises, the pair of eights comes over the top and everyone is pissed off, the king finally went out by the way.

the 6th card the eights bet, ace raise again, threes just call, the eights reraise, the ace just calls, the threes call

river, the eights bet out, everyone calls

he has sevens full, the ace had three aces didn't full and couldn't cuz all his cards were dead, the three three's actually fold.

this is a bad fold, he's got to pay it off because there is just too much money in the pot.

one of the biggest pots I've ever seen in a 20 40 stud game

so, kings lost, three three's lost, three aces lost

the very worst hand of all, pocket sevens takes home monster pot