New Hiv Strain

[Moonwraith]

Well hopefully, I'm going to uni to become trained as a pharmacist..and I agree with everything marge's said. I'm sorry Lee but whatyou've said does ring bells - but sounds øøøøed up to me

Maybe you're not happy - I'm not far off the same boat... but I don'tgrudge against others.. a close relative or close friend contractssomething/cancer grows.. what would you say then?

 

[falconguard]

treatments cures are reserved exclusivly to the rich (those who can afford)

medical experiments are reserved for the rest of society who have some form of health care.

euthanasia is for the "have nots" with no material wealth or access to numbing meds.

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You would think the medical community would get wise to this and cure the the needy and treat the rich, that way a never ending supply of money comes in. :laugh: :laugh:

 

[Lee]

In the UK medical treatments are free to everyone through the National health service

More people die of M.R.S.A. in NHS hospitals than an illness they went in to be treated for.

 

[Evil Marge]

My aunt was diagnosed with cancer last year aged 62.She was given a 40% chance of survival and received treatment.She finshed her last course of chemo last year.
Against the odds she has be given the all clear but according to Lee's way of thinking she's too old and should have been left to die

 

[egghead]

here in bc they are trying to move to a two teared heal care systemwhere you pay to get cured or if you poor you sit in waiting lists forlong days and months and years.

If this country shifts to euthanisa you can bet pain will become commonto the poor and they will be pushed closer and willing to euthanisethemselkves legally and this will save dollars reduce strain on thesystem and allow more financially stable patience better healthcare inthe long run.

 

[falconguard]

More people die of M.R.S.A. in NHS hospitals than an illness they went in to be treated for.

Ok sorry Lee, this is convoluted logic, yes more people die in hospitals than anywhere else. They do more extreme forms of Life saving, and people don't go to a hospital to die, you'd think they would just stay home.

 

[Evil Marge]

More people die of M.R.S.A. in NHS hospitals than an illness they went in to be treated for.

That should suit you then seeing as some of these people with be OAP's :lick:

 

[jimi_81]

I agree that's why I wonder why governments and health agencies spend billions on something that is untreatable. Proloning cancer victims, h.i.v. and a.i.d.s. victims, we all die sometime, so quit wasting my tax money.

im sure the money spent spawns new medical practice technologies.

I am not a proponent of playing god, and yes we all die eventually, but Lee... easier said then done. My mother is very ill. She doesnt have any of these horrible diseases, but I am sure billions and billions of dollars is spent each year on heart disease research.

I cannot stomach your argument, it is very selfish, and very ignorant.

quality of life is a completely separate argument from 'wasting' your tax money.

 

[Evil Marge]

I'm sorry to hear that jimi,hope she get's well soon

 

[melon]

Well, going a different direction, I tend to force myself to think out of the box when it comes to problems like this. I started thinking, at one point. HIV/AIDS just destroys your immune system, correct? There are other immune-destroying syndromes out there, whether it be genetic or behavioral, so they should all exhibit similar symptoms of immune deficiency, correct? After all, literally speaking, you do not die of AIDS. You die of an opportunistic infection, as the result of having a destroyed immune system.

What concerns me, most of all, is that existing HIV/AIDS treatments are destructive to one's immune system in themselves. AZT, used since the 1980s and still used in "cocktail" therapies, was originally developed as a chemotherapy drug. Chemotherapy wipes out your immune system! As for the anti-retrovirals, they are poisonous in themselves. The lipodystrophy that is common with these drugs, along with the fat collection around the belly region, tends to tell me that they stress your adrenal system and oversecrete the stress hormone, cortisol, which can create a similar effect in malnourished individuals (remember the pictures of the starving children in Ethiopia?). Cortisol also suppresses your immune system.

My concern is that, with all the zeal to destroy the virus, we're creating drugs that are equally immune destructive as the virus that it is trying to destroy. I'm cautiously optimistic about French research into an immune boosting HIV drug, because if that succeeds, that would be a first.

As to whether or not this new HIV strain is more or less virulent than its predecessors, I'm skeptical. The patient was a crystal meth addict, which will also destroy your immune system on its own. So, really, it's no wonder he progressed from HIV to AIDS in a short period of time. I would like to see this strain observed in a patient that isn't a drug addict before I will believe it is actually more virulent.

Melon

 

[jimi_81]

I'm sorry to hear that jimi,hope she get's well soon

thanks Marge.

 

[Dr. Kramer]

So Lee, what does MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphlococcus Aureus for those who don't know) have to do about anything? Sorry to say, but hospitals are places where sick people go...it's not this "germ free" area. So when people are having invasive procedures done, catheters placed, IV's placed, removed, changed, that provides quite the environment for those little bacteria to have a party. And unfortunately, most of the time that occurs in people who are already weakened and have poor immune systems. So are we supposed to throw our arms up and say "well, we could give you a life-saving operation, but you might get an infection and die..." So instead, we'll just let you die. I'm sorry, but did I fall asleep in the States and wake up in North Korea?

And another unfortunate thing is the usage of antibiotics. Yes they're great, but as you've noted Lee, you can develop strains that are resistant. And in the case of MRSA, all you have to do is use another Abx (vancomycin) to help treat the infection. So we have the tools, it's just that people are too weak. Does that mean we should just inject em with enough morphine to make an elephant keel over, when we can treat them? One word = NO

So it sucks that HIV is out there and spreading, very quickly. We are at a point where history will look back and either applaud us or berate us for our actions. Do we construct a 'new society' composed solely of have's or do we stand by the creed of 'everyone has a right to life'. It's time to start thinking about more than just ourselves and think of the less fortunate. Just because we were born to parents living in industrialized societies doesn't make us super-duper special. We're the same as those born to an impoverished society of Africa. And if you think otherwise, then please don't mind me as I walk by your elitest soapbox of hate.

So this was quite some rant...start on MRSA and end on global health...and I'm spent...

 

[Un4gIvEn1]

Protection!

Or get checked, both you and your partner. I am a firm beleiver taht before you have sex you need to come in with a piece of paper that says that within the last 30 days you have been tested for STD's and were negative. Just like in the porn industry.

This wouldn't work. What if 25 days ago they got checked, and 24 days ago they contracted something? Or, what if they have AIDS. Sometimes HIV/AIDS can take as long as 60 days before it's detectable. I just think you should play it safe.

 

[Lee]

That should suit you then seeing as some of these people with be OAP's :lick:

This is what I didn't really want to type this as you have got on your high Horse about it all.

This has been my past 12 days, I help out PT in an old Folks home in Sevenoaks, I listen to the residents, we talk about things in general, some of them are aged between 56 and 90, majority are 70 ish, there are 40 ish residents.

O.K. they need their backsides wiped, most of them are obese, they eat food which is liquadised, they sit around watching day time T.V. they don't go out as they can hardly walk, they need a harness as they're so weak to get into a bath, they are stuffed full of drugs to keep them alive, since January 28th 2005, 5 have died, the most recent 2 days ago, I put him to bed, he was 73, it was his birthday, his bloody daughter didn't even come and take him for a drive which she promised that till writing this pee'd me off, a Nurse came around 10 minutes later and he was dead.

He was removed taken to the mortary, 9 a.m. next day his bed was filled by another (new) resident. Felt like a cattle market.

All I hear when chatting, maybe morbid, is they wish they were dead. They tell me they are sick of taking pain killers, having tubes stuffed up their backsides to clean inside, tubes in their arms to feed them even more medicines, having people wipe their backsides, drugs to keep them alive basically. It's so sad. They pay £700 per week just for food and board, the NHS pays for the medicines, it's not a private home.

You write back like I am some bastard, au contrare it sadens me, the suffering, the pain and anguish.

I just cannot understand, (the topic thread it's meaning) why I should feel sorry for people that have unprotected sexual intercourse and catch H.I.V. We have known (well it was made very public) since 1984 about this, that's 21 years of adverts on T.V. about condoms, shows and billboards telling people to be safe, NHS handing out free condoms, to help people. I know people have caught this uncurable illness (virus) via blood transfusions, or some other means past on which they didn't know or were born with it. These, I feel , should be the ones that are helped financially.

Then someone mentioned Cancer, most people die of tobacco related Cancers, how long and how much are they going to waste telling people about the harmful affects of smoking.

Now you know why I wrote what I wrote, if not then I am at a loss.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Bravo LEE !

 

[Moonwraith]

AIDS is one thing, cancer is a different thing.. and i do believe you were one of the first to bring up cancer in this thread.

I make the trays for the type of care homes you've worked for, and thecattle market thing is right, as soon as they're gone - someone new'sin. It's a shame, aye.

I don't know how you can sit there and say they should just.. be left to die - let natural selection take its course?...

As i've said, I hope no one close to you ever suffers like this...

Sorry to hear about your mum jimi - hope she's alright.. My mum's notbeen in the best health, and according to mr Lee here, she shouldrightfully be dead. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Steevo]

So I guess it is a friend of mine's sisters fault forhaving a blood transfusion and getting it that way? You want to stopall the research to look for a way to kill HIV/AIDS? We don't have acure for cancer, but after years of research we have found methodswhich work mighty well to get rid of it, evne in more advanced stages.Should they have given up? Just forgot about it? If so, then i guessquite a few people close to me would not be around anymore. My familyhas a history of cancer.

You didn't mention on how she wasted her life away and thusly got AIDS.So she has my support and sympathy. If she had got it while shooting upheroin in a alley or by whoreing around that would be different.


On a second note I will not accept a blood transfusion, not that I amsaying anyone else shares my beliefs or that I look down upon anyonefor their beliefs.

F@H and before that it was cancer research. As many PC's that I have available and that can stand it. 24/7

 

[Geffy]

More people die of M.R.S.A. in NHS hospitals than an illness they went in to be treated for.

Thats understandable because they went in with a wide range of illnesses and fell victim to one illness while in there. Though as you said 'an illness' that does infer the point that the MRSA deaths are being counted with the aggregate deaths of the other types of illness which shows just how quickly it spreads

I believe that everyone has a right to the right treatment at the right time (usually as soon as possible, not months down the line)


if you think about it life is also a sexually transmitted disease, not one you pass on to your partner but one you pass on to your children. Eventually it will kill you, in a wide variety of different ways. Doctors cant tell us how long we have, we only know that it will get us at some point. There is no cure for it, you can only accelerate the effects.
Dont anyone take that the wrong way in this thread, I just find it an interesting view on life.

 

[Evil Marge]

AIDS is one thing, cancer is a different thing.. and i do believe you were one of the first to bring up cancer in this thread.

I make the trays for the type of care homes you've worked for, and thecattle market thing is right, as soon as they're gone - someone new'sin. It's a shame, aye.

I don't know how you can sit there and say they should just.. be left to die - let natural selection take its course?...

As i've said, I hope no one close to you ever suffers like this...

Sorry to hear about your mum jimi - hope she's alright.. My mum's notbeen in the best health, and according to mr Lee here, she shouldrightfully be dead. Thanks, but no thanks.

Your right,he was the one brought up cancer in the same breath as HIV/AIDS and thats what I take issues with.Cancer has affected members of my family, young (He died aged 39 leaving to young children behind)and older (aunt 62,she survived,father in law aged 52 who sadly died)and I find it sickening to hear somebody say that they should have been left to die and not given a chance to survive.
We shouldn't even be having this conversation as it has nothing whatsoever to do with the treatment of HIV/AIDS

 

[Nick M]

This wouldn't work. What if 25 days ago they got checked, and 24 days ago they contracted something? Or, what if they have AIDS. Sometimes HIV/AIDS can take as long as 60 days before it's detectable. I just think you should play it safe.

Agreed, this wouldn't work at all. I had an accident in which I had a needle poke out of an overfilled hazerdous material container and stick me in the arm. 30 days is a joke - that's not enough. I took an OraQuick HIV test two days ago, and the sheet mentions:

this test will not detect HIV-1 infection in people who were exposed within about three months prior to taking the test (since it can take that long for detectable antibodies to HIV-1 to appear in the blood).

So it's really 90 days and anything before, not after.