Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem

j4m3z420 · May 26th, 2006

I recently installed Vista Beta 2, I have been testing Vista with each new
build. Nvidia released new drivers to go along with the Beta 2. When using
those drivers, or the ones that already come w/ Vista the result is stutting
window movement and usage. For example, when I run a screen saver, it seems to stutter every second. I installed the older drivers that were included with builds 5365 and previous (87.45 nvidia driver). When I install this the stuttering is gone. Why are the newer drivers causing my vista to stutter. It makes it seem like my cpu usage is high even though it is not. I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. My videocard should be more then able to handle it. 6800gt. My computer is also fairly new. Any solutions?

I would also like to add that I first had this problem with the last build, 5381, with the drivers that were included with it, being that they were updated from the 5365 drivers

MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI
AMD 3700+ San Diego
MSI 6800GT 256MB PCI-E
WD 160GB SATA2
Corsair 1GB XMS PC3200
Lite-On DVD-RW
Lite-On CD-RW
OCZ Modstream 520w
Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu LED
Thermaltake Tsunami
Viewsonic 17" LCD

Mokey · May 26th, 2006

I too am suffering from the exact same problem with stuttering screensaver stuttering mediaplayer graphical view. DWM Effects also stutter.

I have SLI setup but new nvidia drivers dont have a working control panel and I cannot enable or adjust settings

Far Far to much ram being used on a fresh install 600Mb hope this will drop sub 200 for release.

Im using 88.61 vista drivers and nforce_vista32beta2_english Drivers

SOmething just aint right

DFI NF4 SLI-DR
3200 Winchester
2*512 PdP XBLK Ram
2* XFX 6800Gt PCI-x
74GB Raptor Sata
160GB WD Sata

j4m3z420 · May 26th, 2006

Ya, it seems like whenever something graphical happens whether in Media Center or viewing video, it stutters. It is only these new drivers tho, 87.45 works great.

**LordOfLA** · May 26th, 2006

I'm not seeing this issue on the 32bit build of 5384.4. Smooth as ice unlike 5381.

**Mastershakes** · May 26th, 2006

Likewise. (referring to Lord's statements)

**NetRyder** · May 26th, 2006

Sounds very similar to the issue GEN3RIC and I are experiencing, as mentioned in this thread:
http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=726144

I thought it was x64-specific, but it seems like it might be affecting x86 users as well. There are bug reports about this for 5381 (ID: 71103) and 5384 (ID: 78913). The latter has been marked as "Resolved" (Not Reproducible) in Build 5434 and higher, so we'll have to wait until the next build and see how it performs. I'm going to submit another report for 5384 x64 later today as well, just in case.

Unfortunately, with the x64 build, I don't have the option of going back to the 87.45 drivers since they were never on nVidia's site. But you're right, they worked perfectly in 5365 x64. In the meantime, I found that disabling the window animations (uncheck "Animate windows while minimizing and maximizing" box in the Performance Options dialog) made things a lot better for me.

GEN3RIC · May 26th, 2006

Originally Posted by NetRyder

Sounds very similar to the issue GEN3RIC and I are experiencing, as mentioned in this thread:
http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=726144

I thought it was x64-specific, but it seems like it might be affecting x86 users as well. There are bug reports about this for 5381 (ID: 71103) and 5384 (ID: 78913). The latter has been marked as "Resolved" (Not Reproducible) in Build 5434 and higher, so we'll have to wait until the next build and see how it performs. I'm going to submit another report for 5384 x64 later today as well, just in case.

Unfortunately, with the x64 build, I don't have the option of going back to the 87.45 drivers since they were never on nVidia's site. But you're right, they worked perfectly in 5365 x64. In the meantime, I found that disabling the window animations (uncheck "Animate windows while minimizing and maximizing" box in the Performance Options dialog) made things a lot better for me.

I am downloading 87.45 as we speak. Lots of hits when I googled "87.45 Vista"

NVIDIA's link
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.45.html

GEN3RIC · May 26th, 2006

update: i just made attempt to install that driver. It doesnt work unfortunately. It said it could not load the device driver and when I tried to force it to install it rebooted normally but it was using the VGAsave driver at a solid 640x480.

Had to go back to the Beta 2 drivers...

j4m3z420 · May 27th, 2006

I just started Steam to test counterstrike and for some reason Aero is smooth now. All stutter errors are gone. Let's hope it stays like this. Media Center is sweet btw.

**NetRyder** · May 27th, 2006

Originally Posted by GEN3RIC

I am downloading 87.45 as we speak. Lots of hits when I googled "87.45 Vista"

NVIDIA's link
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.45.html

Oh, I tried those a couple of days ago too. Didn't remember that those were the 87.45's.
5365 x64 had a different version then (later than 87.45), and if I could somehow get those, I imagine it would solve all the problems, assuming the problems are, in fact, driver-related.

2uantuM · June 12th, 2006

Originally Posted by j4m3z420

I just started Steam to test counterstrike and for some reason Aero is smooth now. All stutter errors are gone. Let's hope it stays like this. Media Center is sweet btw.

Wow, you're right. Opening up Counter-Strike solves the problem, oddly enough. The game crashed before I could get in it, and everything is as smooth as silk. Very odd. Is there any other known solutions to this problem?

It should be noted though, my system is nearly identical to the OPs. The only difference between our systems as that I'm using an older 36GB Raptor for my primary hard drive.

I'm sorry for the minor thread res.

**NetRyder** · June 12th, 2006

Originally Posted by 2uantuM

Wow, you're right. Opening up Counter-Strike solves the problem, oddly enough. The game crashed before I could get in it, and everything is as smooth as silk. Very odd. Is there any other known solutions to this problem?

It should be noted though, my system is nearly identical to the OPs. The only difference between our systems as that I'm using an older 36GB Raptor for my primary hard drive.

I'm sorry for the minor thread res.

Interesting. Does this persist across reboots, or do you have to start Counter-Strike each time to stop the stuttering?

**NetRyder** · June 12th, 2006

Well, what do you know? Looks like you're right, and it seems to work with any OpenGL app. I just tried opening up Google Earth, and everything is beautiful again. What an odd fix.

PerPixel · June 13th, 2006

I did found a good work around... Made a simple opengl application that just create and viewport and close and then added it to startup menu so now when vista start it just run it and aero run smoothly.

kop48 · June 13th, 2006

Originally Posted by j4m3z420

I installed the older drivers that were included with builds 5365 and previous (87.45 nvidia driver). When I install this the stuttering is gone.

A post further down says that they can't load the driver. I'd be interested in testing this, but how did you get the driver to load?

I'll try the OpenGL thing when I get home from work.

SealedSun · June 30th, 2006

Hi,

I have the very same problem with my Asus N6800GT and the current nVidia driver. Still have to try the "OpenGl-Fix"...

Looks like this is a GeForce 6800(GT) problem.

kop48 · June 30th, 2006

I'm getting the new build. Gonna give that a go.

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #1
j4m3z420 OSNN Junior Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 3 Reputation: 20 Power: 0	Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem I recently installed Vista Beta 2, I have been testing Vista with each new build. Nvidia released new drivers to go along with the Beta 2. When using those drivers, or the ones that already come w/ Vista the result is stutting window movement and usage. For example, when I run a screen saver, it seems to stutter every second. I installed the older drivers that were included with builds 5365 and previous (87.45 nvidia driver). When I install this the stuttering is gone. Why are the newer drivers causing my vista to stutter. It makes it seem like my cpu usage is high even though it is not. I am wondering if anyone else is experiencing this. My videocard should be more then able to handle it. 6800gt. My computer is also fairly new. Any solutions? I would also like to add that I first had this problem with the last build, 5381, with the drivers that were included with it, being that they were updated from the 5365 drivers MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI AMD 3700+ San Diego MSI 6800GT 256MB PCI-E WD 160GB SATA2 Corsair 1GB XMS PC3200 Lite-On DVD-RW Lite-On CD-RW OCZ Modstream 520w Zalman CNPS7000B-Cu LED Thermaltake Tsunami Viewsonic 17" LCD

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #2
Mokey OSNN One Post Wonder Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem I too am suffering from the exact same problem with stuttering screensaver stuttering mediaplayer graphical view. DWM Effects also stutter. I have SLI setup but new nvidia drivers dont have a working control panel and I cannot enable or adjust settings Far Far to much ram being used on a fresh install 600Mb hope this will drop sub 200 for release. Im using 88.61 vista drivers and nforce_vista32beta2_english Drivers SOmething just aint right DFI NF4 SLI-DR 3200 Winchester 2512 PdP XBLK Ram 2 XFX 6800Gt PCI-x 74GB Raptor Sata 160GB WD Sata

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #3
j4m3z420 OSNN Junior Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 3 Reputation: 20 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Ya, it seems like whenever something graphical happens whether in Media Center or viewing video, it stutters. It is only these new drivers tho, 87.45 works great.

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #4
LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Salisbury, Wiltshire, UK Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 4137 Power: 209	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem I'm not seeing this issue on the 32bit build of 5384.4. Smooth as ice unlike 5381. If HK-47 and GLaDOS had a child, the character they create would cause the video game world to overdose on awesome. -sheridanmovieguy: Dragon age forum user.

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Mastershakes OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: July 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,721 Reputation: 1040 Power: 120	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Likewise. (referring to Lord's statements) So many idiots - so little time

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May 26th, 2006	Top \| #6
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Sounds very similar to the issue GEN3RIC and I are experiencing, as mentioned in this thread: http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=726144 I thought it was x64-specific, but it seems like it might be affecting x86 users as well. There are bug reports about this for 5381 (ID: 71103) and 5384 (ID: 78913). The latter has been marked as "Resolved" (Not Reproducible) in Build 5434 and higher, so we'll have to wait until the next build and see how it performs. I'm going to submit another report for 5384 x64 later today as well, just in case. Unfortunately, with the x64 build, I don't have the option of going back to the 87.45 drivers since they were never on nVidia's site. But you're right, they worked perfectly in 5365 x64. In the meantime, I found that disabling the window animations (uncheck "Animate windows while minimizing and maximizing" box in the Performance Options dialog) made things a lot better for me. http://kunal.kundaje.net

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #7
GEN3RIC OSNN Senior Addict Joined: April 2005 Location: Woodbury, MN Posts: 634 Reputation: 260 Power: 92	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Originally Posted by NetRyder Sounds very similar to the issue GEN3RIC and I are experiencing, as mentioned in this thread: http://www.osnn.net/forum/showthread.php?p=726144 I thought it was x64-specific, but it seems like it might be affecting x86 users as well. There are bug reports about this for 5381 (ID: 71103) and 5384 (ID: 78913). The latter has been marked as "Resolved" (Not Reproducible) in Build 5434 and higher, so we'll have to wait until the next build and see how it performs. I'm going to submit another report for 5384 x64 later today as well, just in case. Unfortunately, with the x64 build, I don't have the option of going back to the 87.45 drivers since they were never on nVidia's site. But you're right, they worked perfectly in 5365 x64. In the meantime, I found that disabling the window animations (uncheck "Animate windows while minimizing and maximizing" box in the Performance Options dialog) made things a lot better for me. I am downloading 87.45 as we speak. Lots of hits when I googled "87.45 Vista" NVIDIA's link http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.45.html

May 26th, 2006	Top \| #8
GEN3RIC OSNN Senior Addict Joined: April 2005 Location: Woodbury, MN Posts: 634 Reputation: 260 Power: 92	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem update: i just made attempt to install that driver. It doesnt work unfortunately. It said it could not load the device driver and when I tried to force it to install it rebooted normally but it was using the VGAsave driver at a solid 640x480. Had to go back to the Beta 2 drivers...

May 27th, 2006	Top \| #9
j4m3z420 OSNN Junior Addict Joined: May 2006 Posts: 3 Reputation: 20 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem I just started Steam to test counterstrike and for some reason Aero is smooth now. All stutter errors are gone. Let's hope it stays like this. Media Center is sweet btw.

May 27th, 2006	Top \| #10
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Originally Posted by GEN3RIC I am downloading 87.45 as we speak. Lots of hits when I googled "87.45 Vista" NVIDIA's link http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x64_87.45.html Oh, I tried those a couple of days ago too. Didn't remember that those were the 87.45's. 5365 x64 had a different version then (later than 87.45), and if I could somehow get those, I imagine it would solve all the problems, assuming the problems are, in fact, driver-related. http://kunal.kundaje.net

June 12th, 2006	Top \| #11
2uantuM OSNN One Post Wonder Joined: June 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 10 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Originally Posted by j4m3z420 I just started Steam to test counterstrike and for some reason Aero is smooth now. All stutter errors are gone. Let's hope it stays like this. Media Center is sweet btw. Wow, you're right. Opening up Counter-Strike solves the problem, oddly enough. The game crashed before I could get in it, and everything is as smooth as silk. Very odd. Is there any other known solutions to this problem? It should be noted though, my system is nearly identical to the OPs. The only difference between our systems as that I'm using an older 36GB Raptor for my primary hard drive. I'm sorry for the minor thread res.

June 12th, 2006	Top \| #12
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Originally Posted by 2uantuM Wow, you're right. Opening up Counter-Strike solves the problem, oddly enough. The game crashed before I could get in it, and everything is as smooth as silk. Very odd. Is there any other known solutions to this problem? It should be noted though, my system is nearly identical to the OPs. The only difference between our systems as that I'm using an older 36GB Raptor for my primary hard drive. I'm sorry for the minor thread res. Interesting. Does this persist across reboots, or do you have to start Counter-Strike each time to stop the stuttering? http://kunal.kundaje.net

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Well, what do you know? Looks like you're right, and it seems to work with any OpenGL app. I just tried opening up Google Earth, and everything is beautiful again. What an odd fix. http://kunal.kundaje.net

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PerPixel OSNN One Post Wonder Joined: June 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem I did found a good work around... Made a simple opengl application that just create and viewport and close and then added it to startup menu so now when vista start it just run it and aero run smoothly.

June 13th, 2006	Top \| #15
kop48 OSNN Addict Joined: June 2006 Posts: 209 Reputation: 40 Power: 72	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Originally Posted by j4m3z420 I installed the older drivers that were included with builds 5365 and previous (87.45 nvidia driver). When I install this the stuttering is gone. A post further down says that they can't load the driver. I'd be interested in testing this, but how did you get the driver to load? I'll try the OpenGL thing when I get home from work.

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SealedSun OSNN One Post Wonder Joined: June 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 0 Power: 0	Re: Vista Beta 2 Nvidia driver problem Hi, I have the very same problem with my Asus N6800GT and the current nVidia driver. Still have to try the "OpenGl-Fix"... Looks like this is a GeForce 6800(GT) problem.

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