Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled?

**kcnychief** · November 30th, 2005

Since this isn't confirmed, I didn't want to slap it on the front page. But Paul T said there is a possiblity Microsoft will cancel Beta 2, in favor of CTP releases until RC0 is available....

In its manic bid to keep Windows Vista on track despite constant development delays, Microsoft could cancel its eagerly anticipated Beta 2 milestone and simply utilize Community Technical Preview (CTP) releases until Release Candidate 0 (RC0) is ready in March or April 2006. According to my sources, this plan would allow the company to continue plotting the final release of Windows Vista for the third quarter of 2006.

When asked to comment about these plans, however, Microsoft denied that it was canceling Beta 2. "Microsoft is not canceling [Windows Vista] Beta 2," a company representative told me, noting that comments by Amitabh Srivastava, the corporate vice president of Windows Core Operating System Development at Microsoft, made during yesterday's conference call with the press, are relevant to this topic. During that call, Srivastava said that Beta was "less urgent" than before because of the company's new engineering process and early CTP feedback.

Full article:

http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowsp...ott_48613.html

**Grandmaster** · November 30th, 2005

Why would they want to do that though? I don't get why they wouldn't want the more people involved in testing Vista.

If this is true that is.

**NetRyder** · November 30th, 2005

Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release.

I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see...

**kcnychief** · November 30th, 2005

Originally Posted by Grandmaster

Why would they want to do that though? I don't get why they wouldn't want the more people involved in testing Vista.

If this is true that is.

That would make sense to me too. The only thing I could think of is that they are satisfied with how things are going, and don't want to jinx it by possibly getting invalid bug reports?

Your point makes sense though, you'd think they would want it out there as wide-scale as possible. Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public?

**kcnychief** · November 30th, 2005

Originally Posted by NetRyder

Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release.

I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see...

Although Paul T used the word, perhaps the proper way of stating it would be not to release it the public?

**Electronic Punk** · November 30th, 2005

It is a milestone though and as Vista will effectively be feature complete after December, why not just release that labelled as beta 2.

The line is blurred now, beta 2 doesn't really mean anything now anyway.

**Grandmaster** · November 30th, 2005

Originally Posted by NetRyder

Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release.

I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see...

That's what I understood of the situation, so the only real reason I could think of was that they don't want large scale testing done on it.

Originally Posted by kcnychief

That would make sense to me too. The only thing I could think of is that they are satisfied with how things are going, and don't want to jinx it by possibly getting invalid bug reports?

Your point makes sense though, you'd think they would want it out there as wide-scale as possible. Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public?

I think MS has mentioned they wanted to get it feature complete by Beta 2, faster than any Windows version ever so they could focus more on stability.

**NetRyder** · November 30th, 2005

Originally Posted by kcnychief

Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public?

Hmm...that would contradict what EP gathered from the conference call the other day:

Microsoft has been very pleased with the feedback it has received so far during the beta program and as a result has said that Windows Vista will actually be feature complete by the end of the year allowing the rest of the development time to concentrate on stability. This is the earliest in the beta cycle that a version of Windows will have been feature complete.

**Electronic Punk** · November 30th, 2005

Last night I was told that beta2 would be released in the first quarter of next year, but like I said it just a theoretical milestone it doesn't actually mean anything...

... although it could be a version that is released to the public, as originally promised.

**kcnychief** · November 30th, 2005

Should be an interesting story to follow, I saw it over on bink.nu as well but it only cites Paul's original article.

**Electronic Punk** · December 1st, 2005

rejiggered

Paul Thurrott stole a word I think I made up?

**SPeedY_B** · December 1st, 2005

Sue the ****er.

**Grandmaster** · December 1st, 2005

Originally Posted by SPeedY_B

Sue the ****er.

Seconded

**kcnychief** · December 1st, 2005

While you are suing him, ask him why he still uses FrontPage

**kcnychief** · December 2nd, 2005

Over at PCWorld, interesting article explaining what has been going on lately with the timetable...

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/...123795,00.asp#

**ShepsCrook** · December 31st, 2005

Personally, it's really not that big of a deal. You will still get the same build that Beta 2 would be. It would just be called something else.

**kcnychief** · December 31st, 2005

The theory behind it though, was that Beta 2 was to be public. If it did get cancelled, we would loose legit access to it.

November 30th, 2005	Top \| #1
kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,949 Reputation: 4941 Power: 302	Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Since this isn't confirmed, I didn't want to slap it on the front page. But Paul T said there is a possiblity Microsoft will cancel Beta 2, in favor of CTP releases until RC0 is available.... In its manic bid to keep Windows Vista on track despite constant development delays, Microsoft could cancel its eagerly anticipated Beta 2 milestone and simply utilize Community Technical Preview (CTP) releases until Release Candidate 0 (RC0) is ready in March or April 2006. According to my sources, this plan would allow the company to continue plotting the final release of Windows Vista for the third quarter of 2006. When asked to comment about these plans, however, Microsoft denied that it was canceling Beta 2. "Microsoft is not canceling [Windows Vista] Beta 2," a company representative told me, noting that comments by Amitabh Srivastava, the corporate vice president of Windows Core Operating System Development at Microsoft, made during yesterday's conference call with the press, are relevant to this topic. During that call, Srivastava said that Beta was "less urgent" than before because of the company's new engineering process and early CTP feedback. Full article: http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowsp...ott_48613.html XBOX Live Gamertag: kcnychief

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Grandmaster Electronica Addict Joined: February 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 10,574 Reputation: 2960 Power: 257	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Why would they want to do that though? I don't get why they wouldn't want the more people involved in testing Vista. If this is true that is.

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release. I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see... http://kunal.kundaje.net

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kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,949 Reputation: 4941 Power: 302	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Originally Posted by Grandmaster Why would they want to do that though? I don't get why they wouldn't want the more people involved in testing Vista. If this is true that is. That would make sense to me too. The only thing I could think of is that they are satisfied with how things are going, and don't want to jinx it by possibly getting invalid bug reports? Your point makes sense though, you'd think they would want it out there as wide-scale as possible. Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public? XBOX Live Gamertag: kcnychief

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kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,949 Reputation: 4941 Power: 302	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Originally Posted by NetRyder Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release. I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see... Although Paul T used the word, perhaps the proper way of stating it would be not to release it the public? XBOX Live Gamertag: kcnychief

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Electronic Punk The Last High Joined: December 2001 Location: London Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 51 Reputation: 3652 Power: 346	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? It is a milestone though and as Vista will effectively be feature complete after December, why not just release that labelled as beta 2. The line is blurred now, beta 2 doesn't really mean anything now anyway.

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Grandmaster Electronica Addict Joined: February 2002 Location: Santa Clara, CA Posts: 10,574 Reputation: 2960 Power: 257	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Originally Posted by NetRyder Well, if you think about it, Beta 2 is just a label given to a regular build. Apart from the name, it really isn't anything more than a CTP...perhaps one that's been more rigorously tested before release. I somehow doubt they would "cancel" a major milestone like Beta 2 though, but you never know. We'll see... That's what I understood of the situation, so the only real reason I could think of was that they don't want large scale testing done on it. Originally Posted by kcnychief That would make sense to me too. The only thing I could think of is that they are satisfied with how things are going, and don't want to jinx it by possibly getting invalid bug reports? Your point makes sense though, you'd think they would want it out there as wide-scale as possible. Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public? I think MS has mentioned they wanted to get it feature complete by Beta 2, faster than any Windows version ever so they could focus more on stability.

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Originally Posted by kcnychief Also could mean that Beta 2 won't be feature complete, and they don't want to disappoint the general public? Hmm...that would contradict what EP gathered from the conference call the other day: Microsoft has been very pleased with the feedback it has received so far during the beta program and as a result has said that Windows Vista will actually be feature complete by the end of the year allowing the rest of the development time to concentrate on stability. This is the earliest in the beta cycle that a version of Windows will have been feature complete. http://kunal.kundaje.net

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Electronic Punk The Last High Joined: December 2001 Location: London Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 51 Reputation: 3652 Power: 346	Re: Windows Vista Beta 2 Cancelled? Last night I was told that beta2 would be released in the first quarter of next year, but like I said it just a theoretical milestone it doesn't actually mean anything... ... although it could be a version that is released to the public, as originally promised.

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