The Future

champ2005 · April 10th, 2005

I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions:

- Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so?
and
- Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version?

**Kush** · April 10th, 2005

i think 32bit computers will be around for a couple more years especially in the places still developing and have trouble acuiring money/recources to get 64bit, so i think you wont be on 32 bit for long
as for the longhorn thing, no it wont be the end, and they stop supporting older ones because advances in technology as well for the biggest reason they want to keep making money so if they keep supporting current os' and have to do it for free they dont make money

**SPeedY_B** · April 10th, 2005

Originally Posted by champ2005

I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions:

- Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so?
and
- Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version?

Considering that 64bit computers aren't worth buying (yet) I'd say buying a 32bit machine is still a safe option. Most operating systems are 32bit, most games are 32bit, most apps are 32bit... virtually everything out there is 32bit.

As for Longhorn, we'll find out in 2006, possibly 2007.

**perris** · April 10th, 2005

I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions:

- Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so?
and
- Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version?

the 64 bit chips aren't that much in price more then the 32 bit chip...plus they run 32 bit operating systems, and they run the 32 bit software better then 32 bit hardware runs it.

so I don't even get why anyone is still buying 32 bit processors...best strategy is just by a box with 64 bit hardware, 32 bit software, and migrate as 64 evolves

as far as longhorn, it's just an interface over xp...I can't imagine it being as successfull as xp

the next generation of operating systems will include a combination of permanent electronic storage to go along with a hardrive (imho)

**SPeedY_B** · April 10th, 2005

Originally Posted by perris

the 64 bit chips aren't that much in price more then the 32 bit chip...plus they run 32 bit operating systems, and they run the 32 bit software better then 32 bit hardware runs it.

so I don't even get why anyone is still buying 32 bit processors...best strategy is just by a box with 64 bit hardware, 32 bit software, and migrate as 64 evolves

as far as longhorn, it's just an interface over xp...I can't imagine it being as successfull as xp

the next generation of operating systems will include a combination of permanent electronic storage to go along with a hardrive (imho)

People aren't "getting" 32bit, most people already just have it, and don't need the rather pointless upgrade to 64bit yet. I admit, were I buying a new machine tomorrow, it would be 64bit, but absolutely NONE of the 64bit architecture would be utilised. I'd be installing my copy of XP (32bit) using my favourite apps (32bit) drivers for all my hardware (32bit) and some games (32bit). 64bit is simply something that can count higher than 32bit, it means nothing to the average user.

Most people aren't going to utilise 64bit until they have no choice, the only way they're not going to have a choice is if all 32bit code is to stop production. dead.

And as for Longhorn being an interface over XP, you couldn't be further from the truth. Longhorn's a complete re-write of Windows (they really had no choice considering XP contains around 60 million lines of code and no on knows why, for reference sake OS X is 2.5 million lines and most linux ditro's weigh in at aroud 4million... if I remember right.)

Resaons that Longhorn won't be successful will be because people are happy with XP, which by 2007, they might not be, so that can change. Alternatively because people get bored of waiting and venture into other realms such as Linux or Mac OS X, doesn't mean they can't be swayed back though.

**perris** · April 10th, 2005

Longhorn's a complete re-write of Windows

speedy, according to channel 9, longhorn is an overlay of xp

**Xie** · April 10th, 2005

Originally Posted by perris

speedy, according to channel 9, longhorn is an overlay of xp

Indeed. Most everything that made LH, LH has been dropped to meet the '06/'07 deadline. Longhorn will basically be XP Plus! that brings nothing really.

**perris** · April 10th, 2005

even though longhorn is an overlay of xp, they'll be able to do some substantial things in the 64 bit version of the operating system, and it will seem like a completely differant os even though it's not...they're also fine tuning and cleaning up the code

still, a glorigied user interface over xp...tuned better, (they say) but the nt kernel never the less.

**LeeJend** · April 10th, 2005

Reality Check - The NT Kernal dates back to 1990. All Longhorn does is add 64 Bit extensions. Granted they are trying to optimize the ancient NT code but they've been beating that dead NT horse for a decade and a half. It just ain't gonna get up and gallop for them.

The amusing part is that they have been screwing with their new file system for 3-4 years and it has been indefinitely postponed from Longhorn. M$ needs to realize that it's time for a clean sheet design start on the 64 BIT software. You can't see the Kernel anymore for all the bandaides covering it.

On the other hand changing to AMD 64 BIT socket 939 hardware will immediately double your memory bandwidth giving major improvements in video and audio processing. So that upgrade is worthwihile.

**Electronic Punk** · April 10th, 2005

There will be a 32bit longhorn sku.

**perris** · April 10th, 2005

leejend, to be sure, nt actually goes back to vms, and I believe the principles of vms came from somewhere before as well...nt is a great platform...change isn't always a good idea, and I think it'll be hard to improve on the base of nt.

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champ2005 \| xs \| Joined: January 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 238 Reputation: 40 Power: 104	The Future I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions: - Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so? and - Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version? AMD Athlon 2400+ (2.0ghz) \| 1.5GB DDR266 (2.0/3/3/6) \| 19" AOC LCD \| 80GB Primary Disk \| SATA RAID 0 2x160GB \| Leadtek Geforce4 Ti4800SE \| Gigabyte VIA KT600 board with 1394 \| Microsoft Wireless Elite Keyboard \| Logitech MX900 w/ Bluetooth

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Kush High On Life! Joined: January 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 4,590 Reputation: 1300 Power: 185	Re: The Future i think 32bit computers will be around for a couple more years especially in the places still developing and have trouble acuiring money/recources to get 64bit, so i think you wont be on 32 bit for long as for the longhorn thing, no it wont be the end, and they stop supporting older ones because advances in technology as well for the biggest reason they want to keep making money so if they keep supporting current os' and have to do it for free they dont make money If Someones post is helpful or makes you laugh, reward the person by clicking on this button--->

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SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	Re: The Future Originally Posted by champ2005 I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions: - Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so? and - Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version? Considering that 64bit computers aren't worth buying (yet) I'd say buying a 32bit machine is still a safe option. Most operating systems are 32bit, most games are 32bit, most apps are 32bit... virtually everything out there is 32bit. As for Longhorn, we'll find out in 2006, possibly 2007. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: The Future I would be interested to know people's general opinion on the following, very important questions: - Are 32-bit computers still worth buying? For how long will this be so? and - Is Windows Longhorn the be all end all, do all Microsoft operating systems to date suddenly become obsolete, or is it just a load of hype? And will it be when 32-bit is finally ditched or will there still be a 32-bit version? the 64 bit chips aren't that much in price more then the 32 bit chip...plus they run 32 bit operating systems, and they run the 32 bit software better then 32 bit hardware runs it. so I don't even get why anyone is still buying 32 bit processors...best strategy is just by a box with 64 bit hardware, 32 bit software, and migrate as 64 evolves as far as longhorn, it's just an interface over xp...I can't imagine it being as successfull as xp the next generation of operating systems will include a combination of permanent electronic storage to go along with a hardrive (imho) IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	Re: The Future Originally Posted by perris the 64 bit chips aren't that much in price more then the 32 bit chip...plus they run 32 bit operating systems, and they run the 32 bit software better then 32 bit hardware runs it. so I don't even get why anyone is still buying 32 bit processors...best strategy is just by a box with 64 bit hardware, 32 bit software, and migrate as 64 evolves as far as longhorn, it's just an interface over xp...I can't imagine it being as successfull as xp the next generation of operating systems will include a combination of permanent electronic storage to go along with a hardrive (imho) People aren't "getting" 32bit, most people already just have it, and don't need the rather pointless upgrade to 64bit yet. I admit, were I buying a new machine tomorrow, it would be 64bit, but absolutely NONE of the 64bit architecture would be utilised. I'd be installing my copy of XP (32bit) using my favourite apps (32bit) drivers for all my hardware (32bit) and some games (32bit). 64bit is simply something that can count higher than 32bit, it means nothing to the average user. Most people aren't going to utilise 64bit until they have no choice, the only way they're not going to have a choice is if all 32bit code is to stop production. dead. And as for Longhorn being an interface over XP, you couldn't be further from the truth. Longhorn's a complete re-write of Windows (they really had no choice considering XP contains around 60 million lines of code and no on knows why, for reference sake OS X is 2.5 million lines and most linux ditro's weigh in at aroud 4million... if I remember right.) Resaons that Longhorn won't be successful will be because people are happy with XP, which by 2007, they might not be, so that can change. Alternatively because people get bored of waiting and venture into other realms such as Linux or Mac OS X, doesn't mean they can't be swayed back though. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: The Future Longhorn's a complete re-write of Windows speedy, according to channel 9, longhorn is an overlay of xp IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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Xie - geek - Joined: September 2003 Location: NY, USA Posts: 5,224 Reputation: 1730 Power: 175	Re: The Future Originally Posted by perris speedy, according to channel 9, longhorn is an overlay of xp Indeed. Most everything that made LH, LH has been dropped to meet the '06/'07 deadline. Longhorn will basically be XP Plus! that brings nothing really. tehgeek \| tehgeek \| geeking out to tech \| IRC \| Parted Magic \| A+ Certified Professional

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: The Future even though longhorn is an overlay of xp, they'll be able to do some substantial things in the 64 bit version of the operating system, and it will seem like a completely differant os even though it's not...they're also fine tuning and cleaning up the code still, a glorigied user interface over xp...tuned better, (they say) but the nt kernel never the less. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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LeeJend OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: January 2003 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 5,261 Reputation: 3386 Power: 199	Re: The Future Reality Check - The NT Kernal dates back to 1990. All Longhorn does is add 64 Bit extensions. Granted they are trying to optimize the ancient NT code but they've been beating that dead NT horse for a decade and a half. It just ain't gonna get up and gallop for them. The amusing part is that they have been screwing with their new file system for 3-4 years and it has been indefinitely postponed from Longhorn. M$ needs to realize that it's time for a clean sheet design start on the 64 BIT software. You can't see the Kernel anymore for all the bandaides covering it. On the other hand changing to AMD 64 BIT socket 939 hardware will immediately double your memory bandwidth giving major improvements in video and audio processing. So that upgrade is worthwihile. Thought for the new millenium: In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? - Open Office - Firefox - Thunderbird - Gimp -Ubuntu - Red Hat -

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Electronic Punk The Last High Joined: December 2001 Location: London Posts: 18,510 Blog Entries: 51 Reputation: 3652 Power: 349	Re: The Future There will be a 32bit longhorn sku.

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: The Future leejend, to be sure, nt actually goes back to vms, and I believe the principles of vms came from somewhere before as well...nt is a great platform...change isn't always a good idea, and I think it'll be hard to improve on the base of nt. IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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