Mozilla.org Discussion (Mozilla, FireBird, Thunderbird, etc) - Page 16

**gonaads** · December 5th, 2003

Originally posted by Vector
On a side note, here's a question that I've never been able to find the answer to. Maybe someone here knows. Why is Firebird's cache always cleared automatically when the browser crashes?

I think it's pretty much that it doesn't remember anything when it crashes... Kinda like if yer usin PSP or PhotoShop and it crashes in the middle of doing something when it crokes, goes tits up, bits the big one, etc...

It goes brain dead, gets amnesia and gets wiped.

December 5th, 2003

Ahhh ... ok. Well, now it's beginning to make a little bit of sense. Firebird must save the cache files only if the browser session is ended normally. When you shut down Firebird by actually closing it yourself (clicking the X, or File -> Exit), some function must be called that preserves (or saves) the cache for the next session.

But if the browser ends unexpectedly (like a crash), this function is not called, so the cache is lost.

Well, that makes sense if that's the case.

**SPeedY_B** · December 5th, 2003

Anyone know if this can be changed.. Take a look at the attachment and look at the fonts on the left of the posts, on some sites this is worse and makes the site un-usable unless you Command/+ the window to make fonts larger :confused:

This is running on OS X, and I know it's basically the fonts, but does anyone know of a FB setting that could make it usable again?

**SPeedY_B** · December 5th, 2003

Ahar, never mind, found it

Pref > General > Fonts & Colours

**NetRyder** · December 6th, 2003

Ooh, hope you got that fixed. Looks like the fonts in a non-XFT Linux build =\

**NetRyder** · December 6th, 2003

Update: Thunderbird (the mail client) users...
Version 0.4 has been released. Go nuts

Release notes here

**SPeedY_B** · December 6th, 2003

Very cool, will have to download it later

**X-Istence** · December 6th, 2003

I will have to compile it. w00t.

I also need to compile thunderbird from source, whoever compiled it on Linux did a bad job, and its showing some measures off a lot.

**gonaads** · December 7th, 2003

Originally posted by NetRyder
Update: Thunderbird (the mail client) users...
Version 0.4 has been released. Go nuts

Release notes here

Works very nicely, loads better, very smooooth. Most impressed.

December 7th, 2003

whats the difference between mozilla and mozilla firebird?

**NetRyder** · December 7th, 2003

Originally posted by sk8caliguy00
whats the difference between mozilla and mozilla firebird?

What's the difference between Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla?
Mozilla (Application Suite) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Mozilla Firebird is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Mozilla Firebird is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use.

Note, though, that Mozilla Firebird is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Mozilla Firebird differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Mozilla Firebird has customizable toolbars.

http://texturizer.net/firebird/faq.html#q1.3

December 7th, 2003

Edit CSS Plugin.

Best.

Ever.

**Heeter** · December 10th, 2003

Hi Guys,

I still find that Firebird is loading web pages really slow as compared to Avant. Sometimes it is painful to watch pages load. Even with creating a user profile. Also, I can only download one item at a time. I would like to be able to download several items at a time. How?

Heeter

**gonaads** · December 10th, 2003

You can DL as many things as you want... :confused: Every time you start a DL it will open a new DL progress window or it will list them in the DL manager.

December 10th, 2003

Whether you can download 2 or more files at the same time is sometimes server dependant. Many sites don't allow people to download more than 1 file at a time.

**NetRyder** · December 10th, 2003

Originally posted by Heeter
Hi Guys,

I still find that Firebird is loading web pages really slow as compared to Avant. Sometimes it is painful to watch pages load. Even with creating a user profile.

Have you added the page rendering tweaks to your user.js file?
If not, add the following lines to the user.js file in your profiles (C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Application Data/Phoenix/Profiles/default/xxxyyyzzz.slt/ ... excuse the slashes, I'm in linux right now) folder, or create a new file with that name if it doesn't already exist:

Code:

user_pref("content.notify.backoffcount", 200);

user_pref("content.notify.interval", 100);

user_pref("content.notify.ontimer", true);

user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 128);

user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 48);

user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 24);

user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 12);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining.firstrequest", true);

user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100);

user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true);

user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0);

**NetRyder** · December 10th, 2003

Just a heads up to the rest of you using nightly builds:
Get the 20031208 build. Lots of bug fixes in the download manager, as well as other parts of the browser.

Direct Download
Windows: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...bird-win32.zip
Mac: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...ird-mac.dmg.gz
No Official Linux build. See the MozillaZine forums for unofficial builds.

**Heeter** · December 10th, 2003

Thanks Netryder,

I did have some of those in the js file, but not all of them. Will try that.

It has been two weeks now since switching from Avant. I really like this Firebird browser, a lot. I really like the fact that it could be as I really want it. I do like the Profile folder to "custom" make my own browser. Hopefully the new js additions mentioned by Netryder will fix my lagging loading times. Still gotta figure out why Firebird is still downloading one item at a time though. Might be just the few servers that I was on, I will try out other sites to confirm.

Thanks,

Heeter

December 10th, 2003

Heeter:

The tweaks NetRyder suggested may help with the 1 file download problem as well.

These:

user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 48);

user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 12);

**NetRyder** · December 10th, 2003

Yeah, they might help, but as far as I remember, Firebird could support more than one download at a time even without those additions.
Even then, hope they work for you

December 5th, 2003	Top \| #301
gonaads Beware the G-Man Joined: March 2002 Location: XP-erience, NTFS, OSNN, Bay Area, California Posts: 18,474 Reputation: 4070 Power: 348	Originally posted by Vector On a side note, here's a question that I've never been able to find the answer to. Maybe someone here knows. Why is Firebird's cache always cleared automatically when the browser crashes? I think it's pretty much that it doesn't remember anything when it crashes... Kinda like if yer usin PSP or PhotoShop and it crashes in the middle of doing something when it crokes, goes tits up, bits the big one, etc... It goes brain dead, gets amnesia and gets wiped. *"I play violent video games, I could snap at any second."*

December 5th, 2003	Top \| #303
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	Anyone know if this can be changed.. Take a look at the attachment and look at the fonts on the left of the posts, on some sites this is worse and makes the site un-usable unless you Command/+ the window to make fonts larger :confused: This is running on OS X, and I know it's basically the fonts, but does anyone know of a FB setting that could make it usable again? 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

December 5th, 2003	Top \| #304
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	Ahar, never mind, found it Pref > General > Fonts & Colours 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

December 6th, 2003	Top \| #305
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Ooh, hope you got that fixed. Looks like the fonts in a non-XFT Linux build =\ http://kunal.kundaje.net

December 6th, 2003	Top \| #306
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Update: Thunderbird (the mail client) users... Version 0.4 has been released. Go nuts Release notes here http://kunal.kundaje.net

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December 5th, 2003	Top \| #302
Vector_One Unregistered Posts: n/a	Ahhh ... ok. Well, now it's beginning to make a little bit of sense. Firebird must save the cache files only if the browser session is ended normally. When you shut down Firebird by actually closing it yourself (clicking the X, or File -> Exit), some function must be called that preserves (or saves) the cache for the next session. But if the browser ends unexpectedly (like a crash), this function is not called, so the cache is lost. Well, that makes sense if that's the case.

December 6th, 2003	Top \| #307
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 310	Very cool, will have to download it later 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

December 6th, 2003	Top \| #308
X-Istence * Joined: December 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,496 Reputation: 2808 Power: 220	I will have to compile it. w00t. I also need to compile thunderbird from source, whoever compiled it on Linux did a bad job, and its showing some measures off a lot. An engineers technical notebook

December 7th, 2003	Top \| #309
gonaads Beware the G-Man Joined: March 2002 Location: XP-erience, NTFS, OSNN, Bay Area, California Posts: 18,474 Reputation: 4070 Power: 348	Originally posted by NetRyder Update: Thunderbird (the mail client) users... Version 0.4 has been released. Go nuts Release notes here Works very nicely, loads better, very smooooth. Most impressed. *"I play violent video games, I could snap at any second."*

December 7th, 2003	Top \| #310
sk8caliguy00 Unregistered Posts: n/a	whats the difference between mozilla and mozilla firebird?

December 7th, 2003	Top \| #311
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Originally posted by sk8caliguy00 whats the difference between mozilla and mozilla firebird? What's the difference between Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla? Mozilla (Application Suite) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Mozilla Firebird is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Mozilla Firebird is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use. Note, though, that Mozilla Firebird is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Mozilla Firebird differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Mozilla Firebird has customizable toolbars. http://texturizer.net/firebird/faq.html#q1.3 http://kunal.kundaje.net

December 7th, 2003	Top \| #312
Leo154 Unregistered Posts: n/a	Edit CSS Plugin. Best. Ever.

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #313
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Hi Guys, I still find that Firebird is loading web pages really slow as compared to Avant. Sometimes it is painful to watch pages load. Even with creating a user profile. Also, I can only download one item at a time. I would like to be able to download several items at a time. How? Heeter

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #314
gonaads Beware the G-Man Joined: March 2002 Location: XP-erience, NTFS, OSNN, Bay Area, California Posts: 18,474 Reputation: 4070 Power: 348	You can DL as many things as you want... :confused: Every time you start a DL it will open a new DL progress window or it will list them in the DL manager. *"I play violent video games, I could snap at any second."*

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #315
Vector_One Unregistered Posts: n/a	Whether you can download 2 or more files at the same time is sometimes server dependant. Many sites don't allow people to download more than 1 file at a time.

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December 10th, 2003	Top \| #316
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Originally posted by Heeter Hi Guys, I still find that Firebird is loading web pages really slow as compared to Avant. Sometimes it is painful to watch pages load. Even with creating a user profile. Have you added the page rendering tweaks to your user.js file? If not, add the following lines to the user.js file in your profiles (C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/Application Data/Phoenix/Profiles/default/xxxyyyzzz.slt/ ... excuse the slashes, I'm in linux right now) folder, or create a new file with that name if it doesn't already exist: Code: user_pref("content.notify.backoffcount", 200); user_pref("content.notify.interval", 100); user_pref("content.notify.ontimer", true); user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 128); user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 48); user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-proxy", 24); user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 12); user_pref("network.http.pipelining", true); user_pref("network.http.pipelining.firstrequest", true); user_pref("network.http.pipelining.maxrequests", 100); user_pref("network.http.proxy.pipelining", true); user_pref("nglayout.initialpaint.delay", 0); http://kunal.kundaje.net

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #317
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Just a heads up to the rest of you using nightly builds: Get the 20031208 build. Lots of bug fixes in the download manager, as well as other parts of the browser. Direct Download Windows: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...bird-win32.zip Mac: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...ird-mac.dmg.gz No Official Linux build. See the MozillaZine forums for unofficial builds. http://kunal.kundaje.net

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #318
Heeter Overclocked Like A Mother Joined: July 2002 Location: In front of my computer Posts: 2,729 Reputation: 684 Power: 154	Thanks Netryder, I did have some of those in the js file, but not all of them. Will try that. It has been two weeks now since switching from Avant. I really like this Firebird browser, a lot. I really like the fact that it could be as I really want it. I do like the Profile folder to "custom" make my own browser. Hopefully the new js additions mentioned by Netryder will fix my lagging loading times. Still gotta figure out why Firebird is still downloading one item at a time though. Might be just the few servers that I was on, I will try out other sites to confirm. Thanks, Heeter

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #319
Vector_One Unregistered Posts: n/a	Heeter: The tweaks NetRyder suggested may help with the 1 file download problem as well. These: user_pref("network.http.max-connections-per-server", 48); user_pref("network.http.max-persistent-connections-per-server", 12);

December 10th, 2003	Top \| #320
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 298	Yeah, they might help, but as far as I remember, Firebird could support more than one download at a time even without those additions. Even then, hope they work for you http://kunal.kundaje.net