Windows 7 - First Impressions - Page 5

Quartersndimes · January 19th, 2009

I am triple-booting XP Home, XP Pro, and Windows 7. 7 and Pro are on a 20gb; Home on an 80. Never did like the fact that they went from boot.ini to BCDEDIT.exe. Pees me off.

**LordOfLA** · January 20th, 2009

Originally Posted by Quartersndimes

Okay, I have had freakin enough. How do I get rid of the BIOS that allows me to switch OSs? I want 2 delete 7 off my PC 4 good.

I'm running server 2003 x64 at the moment but if I recall you boot off of a BCD based windows DVD (vista, 2008, 7) and open a command prompt and run bootsect /nt52 or something along those lines.

The program you need is in /boot/ on the disc

**American Zombie** · January 20th, 2009

Yep that is the correct way to remove the boot manager.

drive letter:\boot\bootsect.exe /nt52 ALL /force

For some reason it does not work with a 7 DVD but will work with a copy of Vista.

**Khayman** · January 21st, 2009

Seems very good to me, I've not read most of this thread but i can imagine most people (here and everywhere) either not liking it or it not being different enough. But then again if you're happy with Vista, have it all set up how you like it etc then theres no reason to upgrade straight away, leave it till its time for a new machine (or a resh install).

Having said that I personaly like it very much, I got used to the task bar very quickly (after a minor change of making it show the name of the app), I like the jump lists and some of the other new bits and bobs. It does seem faster (i have a fresh install of Vista SP1 on the same machine) and so far stable. Found a few small glitches, but thats the fun of beta testing! (reports my RAM as 24Gb!)

**LordOfLA** · January 21st, 2009

hand over some of that ram....

**Bman** · January 26th, 2009

I turned UAC in 7 off the first day, same as I had it in Vista.

Today it seemed to turn back on by itself, anyone else have this happen. I hope it does not continue that.

**Johnny** · January 26th, 2009

I had the same issue, bman. It looked like it was on. I checked it and it was turned off, yet still giving me the security acceleration prompts. So I enabled it, then disabled it again. It seem to work that time.

**American Zombie** · January 26th, 2009

Originally Posted by Bman

I turned UAC in 7 off the first day, same as I had it in Vista.

Today it seemed to turn back on by itself, anyone else have this happen. I hope it does not continue that.

Run on the admin account and UAC is mute.

**Bman** · January 26th, 2009

Originally Posted by American Zombie

Run on the admin account and UAC is mute.

It is an admin account.

**American Zombie** · January 26th, 2009

Originally Posted by Bman

It is an admin account.

So you are running on the built-in administrator account?

If so then yes you are total admin but if not then no you are not total admin. When you are total admin the protected mode for IE is disabled even if you have the box checked and UAC is mute/void.

Local security > Local Policies > Security Options

First one in the list you enable (Accounts:enable admin) then the fourth one (Accounts:rename admin) if you want the account to have your name.

same as Real Admin of Vista

**LordOfLA** · January 26th, 2009

you can do that in the users control panel much easier you know... or local users and groups in computer management...

**vern** · January 26th, 2009

I usually do major upgrades to my hardware as Windows is released (except for the million years between XP and Vista), but I'll be glad I don't have to upgrade for this release.

**lancer** · January 27th, 2009

Originally Posted by ming

That depends on how you use your HD. I use a small HD for the OS and a separate drive for storing other files. My 'Program Files' folder only contains around 4GB of application related files while Vista is using around 18-22GB currently.
For me, I don't see the need of having anything bigger than my 36GB raptor as an OS drive - but Vista is pushing it.

btw, I have tried the vsp1cln.exe and only managed to recover around 1.5-2GB of space.

ahh i see now and kinda agree for the os....

**Dark Atheist** · January 30th, 2009

im liking it....so far, i like the fat that xvid/divx is supported out of the box same with .ts files and mp4/aac files, mikes life easier, shame they havent sorted out x264, so im guessing i will have to find a stand alone filter for that or i could stick ffdshow in as it will handle subs too

Quick speed, like the new UI more easy on the eyes, control panel seems to have moved about again, all hardware detected so i doubt i will need to use the vista drivers

**Johnny** · January 30th, 2009

There are some things you still need to use the vista drivers for, capro; Ie: It didn't detect my ati video card in my laptop.

**Dark Atheist** · January 30th, 2009

all nvidia in here found all of it - windows update found tv card - i gave ms some feedback already about a few things
poor network transfer speed, poor hard drive speed - yes ok this is with the drivers that come with win7, but a lot of people will just take it as read that, that's how its supposed to be, hell i get better speeds after a fresh vista install

now i have done all that i might use vista drivers t install chipset drivers and such

**Johnny** · January 30th, 2009

It found my nvidia card and dell monitor on my desktop as well. So that leads me to think that windows 7 is in with nvidia lol ...

**Dark Atheist** · January 30th, 2009

i will use the vista drivers on it tomorrow when i have more time and see if the speed improves - unless nvidia have some beta win7 drivers

**American Zombie** · January 31st, 2009

I have found something which so far I can not understand.

I am dual booting XP 32 bit and 7 64 bit.

If I create a restore point in 7 and reboot into 7 then restore points are still there.
If I boot into XP then when I go back to 7 the restore points in 7 are all deleted.

As long as I stay booting into 7 the restore points are OK but anytime I boot into XP the restore points for 7 get deleted.

I have XP setup to not monitor the 7 volume and 7 setup to not monitor the XP volume.

Edit: I found the answer - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926185&sd=RMVP

**perris** · January 31st, 2009

Originally Posted by American Zombie

I have found something which so far I can not understand.

I am dual booting XP 32 bit and 7 64 bit.

If I create a restore point in 7 and reboot into 7 then restore points are still there.
If I boot into XP then when I go back to 7 the restore points in 7 are all deleted.

As long as I stay booting into 7 the restore points are OK but anytime I boot into XP the restore points for 7 get deleted.

I have XP setup to not monitor the 7 volume and 7 setup to not monitor the XP volume.

Edit: I found the answer - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926185&sd=RMVP

interesting stuff, as well as why it happens, thanx for posting witht he link to solution

January 19th, 2009	Top \| #81
Quartersndimes Complete Genius. . . Joined: November 2007 Posts: 90 Reputation: 0 Power: 29	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I am triple-booting XP Home, XP Pro, and Windows 7. 7 and Pro are on a 20gb; Home on an 80. Never did like the fact that they went from boot.ini to BCDEDIT.exe. Pees me off.
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January 20th, 2009	Top \| #82
LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Quartersndimes Okay, I have had freakin enough. How do I get rid of the BIOS that allows me to switch OSs? I want 2 delete 7 off my PC 4 good. I'm running server 2003 x64 at the moment but if I recall you boot off of a BCD based windows DVD (vista, 2008, 7) and open a command prompt and run bootsect /nt52 or something along those lines. The program you need is in /boot/ on the disc
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January 20th, 2009	Top \| #83
American Zombie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: June 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,797 Reputation: 2421 Power: 121	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Yep that is the correct way to remove the boot manager. drive letter:\boot\bootsect.exe /nt52 ALL /force For some reason it does not work with a 7 DVD but will work with a copy of Vista.

January 21st, 2009	Top \| #84
Khayman I'm sorry Hal... Joined: January 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,704 Reputation: 1210 Power: 169	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Seems very good to me, I've not read most of this thread but i can imagine most people (here and everywhere) either not liking it or it not being different enough. But then again if you're happy with Vista, have it all set up how you like it etc then theres no reason to upgrade straight away, leave it till its time for a new machine (or a resh install). Having said that I personaly like it very much, I got used to the task bar very quickly (after a minor change of making it show the name of the app), I like the jump lists and some of the other new bits and bobs. It does seem faster (i have a fresh install of Vista SP1 on the same machine) and so far stable. Found a few small glitches, but thats the fun of beta testing! (reports my RAM as 24Gb!)
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January 21st, 2009	Top \| #85
LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions hand over some of that ram....
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January 26th, 2009	Top \| #86
Bman OSNN Designer Joined: July 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 8,425 Blog Entries: 105 Reputation: 1260 Power: 190	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I turned UAC in 7 off the first day, same as I had it in Vista. Today it seemed to turn back on by itself, anyone else have this happen. I hope it does not continue that.

January 26th, 2009	Top \| #87
Johnny Heart Breaker Joined: January 2004 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 4,301 Reputation: 1623 Power: 135	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I had the same issue, bman. It looked like it was on. I checked it and it was turned off, yet still giving me the security acceleration prompts. So I enabled it, then disabled it again. It seem to work that time.
	Heart Breaker ...

January 26th, 2009	Top \| #88
American Zombie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: June 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,797 Reputation: 2421 Power: 121	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Bman I turned UAC in 7 off the first day, same as I had it in Vista. Today it seemed to turn back on by itself, anyone else have this happen. I hope it does not continue that. Run on the admin account and UAC is mute.

January 26th, 2009	Top \| #89
Bman OSNN Designer Joined: July 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 8,425 Blog Entries: 105 Reputation: 1260 Power: 190	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by American Zombie Run on the admin account and UAC is mute. It is an admin account.

January 26th, 2009	Top \| #90
American Zombie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: June 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,797 Reputation: 2421 Power: 121	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Bman It is an admin account. So you are running on the built-in administrator account? If so then yes you are total admin but if not then no you are not total admin. When you are total admin the protected mode for IE is disabled even if you have the box checked and UAC is mute/void. Local security > Local Policies > Security Options First one in the list you enable (Accounts:enable admin) then the fourth one (Accounts:rename admin) if you want the account to have your name. same as Real Admin of Vista

January 26th, 2009	Top \| #91
LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions you can do that in the users control panel much easier you know... or local users and groups in computer management...
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January 26th, 2009	Top \| #92
vern Dominus Joined: March 2002 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 1,584 Reputation: 660 Power: 119	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I usually do major upgrades to my hardware as Windows is released (except for the million years between XP and Vista), but I'll be glad I don't have to upgrade for this release.
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January 27th, 2009	Top \| #93
lancer There is no answer! Joined: October 2004 Location: FL, USA Posts: 3,091 Blog Entries: 3 Reputation: 1430 Power: 111	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by ming That depends on how you use your HD. I use a small HD for the OS and a separate drive for storing other files. My 'Program Files' folder only contains around 4GB of application related files while Vista is using around 18-22GB currently. For me, I don't see the need of having anything bigger than my 36GB raptor as an OS drive - but Vista is pushing it. btw, I have tried the vsp1cln.exe and only managed to recover around 1.5-2GB of space. ahh i see now and kinda agree for the os....
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January 30th, 2009	Top \| #94
Dark Atheist I never said I was nice Joined: April 2003 Location: In The Void Posts: 6,496 Blog Entries: 8 Reputation: 1877 Power: 167	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions im liking it....so far, i like the fat that xvid/divx is supported out of the box same with .ts files and mp4/aac files, mikes life easier, shame they havent sorted out x264, so im guessing i will have to find a stand alone filter for that or i could stick ffdshow in as it will handle subs too Quick speed, like the new UI more easy on the eyes, control panel seems to have moved about again, all hardware detected so i doubt i will need to use the vista drivers

January 30th, 2009	Top \| #95
Johnny Heart Breaker Joined: January 2004 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 4,301 Reputation: 1623 Power: 135	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions There are some things you still need to use the vista drivers for, capro; Ie: It didn't detect my ati video card in my laptop.
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Dark Atheist I never said I was nice Joined: April 2003 Location: In The Void Posts: 6,496 Blog Entries: 8 Reputation: 1877 Power: 167	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions all nvidia in here found all of it - windows update found tv card - i gave ms some feedback already about a few things poor network transfer speed, poor hard drive speed - yes ok this is with the drivers that come with win7, but a lot of people will just take it as read that, that's how its supposed to be, hell i get better speeds after a fresh vista install now i have done all that i might use vista drivers t install chipset drivers and such

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Johnny Heart Breaker Joined: January 2004 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 4,301 Reputation: 1623 Power: 135	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions It found my nvidia card and dell monitor on my desktop as well. So that leads me to think that windows 7 is in with nvidia lol ...
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Dark Atheist I never said I was nice Joined: April 2003 Location: In The Void Posts: 6,496 Blog Entries: 8 Reputation: 1877 Power: 167	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions i will use the vista drivers on it tomorrow when i have more time and see if the speed improves - unless nvidia have some beta win7 drivers

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American Zombie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: June 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,797 Reputation: 2421 Power: 121	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I have found something which so far I can not understand. I am dual booting XP 32 bit and 7 64 bit. If I create a restore point in 7 and reboot into 7 then restore points are still there. If I boot into XP then when I go back to 7 the restore points in 7 are all deleted. As long as I stay booting into 7 the restore points are OK but anytime I boot into XP the restore points for 7 get deleted. I have XP setup to not monitor the 7 volume and 7 setup to not monitor the XP volume. Edit: I found the answer - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926185&sd=RMVP

January 31st, 2009	Top \| #100
perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,043 Reputation: 4333 Power: 263	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by American Zombie I have found something which so far I can not understand. I am dual booting XP 32 bit and 7 64 bit. If I create a restore point in 7 and reboot into 7 then restore points are still there. If I boot into XP then when I go back to 7 the restore points in 7 are all deleted. As long as I stay booting into 7 the restore points are OK but anytime I boot into XP the restore points for 7 get deleted. I have XP setup to not monitor the 7 volume and 7 setup to not monitor the XP volume. Edit: I found the answer - http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=926185&sd=RMVP interesting stuff, as well as why it happens, thanx for posting witht he link to solution
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