Windows 7 - First Impressions - Page 2

**X-Istence** · January 13th, 2009

This is my first impression:

**kcnychief** · January 13th, 2009

Originally Posted by ming

Actually, one (bad) thing about Vista is disk space consumption. I have less 4gb available at the moment and I only have Office and a few small apps installed.
I see Windows 7 consuming more than Vista rather than less. It eats up around 10gb (on 64-bit) without any other apps.

A lot of people say 'why not just get a bigger HD, it's not expensive'.
I haven't had my 36gb raptor HD long enough to need replacing. Nor do I want to have a massive 80+gb HD for having only an OS and a few apps installed on.

Have you adjusted the size of your disk that System Restore can use, tried cleaning out Winsxs directory or the SP1 cleaner? I have listed this in potential impact on freeing up your space.

**LordOfLA** · January 13th, 2009

Originally Posted by Tweakfiend

Bad points : Finding any 3rd party firewall that works..... eventually ok using Kaspersky 7

You don't need a firewall.

**LordOfLA** · January 13th, 2009

Originally Posted by X-Istence

This is my first impression:

copy & paste ftw

jpom · January 13th, 2009

I've been playing with it on 2 machines so far, an Asus EEE PC 1000h and a Dell Inspiron 1520.

Both machines run it quite well, I was in fact a little suprised at how well the Asus did run it. Eset Smart Security runs fine on it for anti-virus/firewall and I have played a few games on the 1520 with no problems. I have encountered 2 programs that will not work, one is Daemon Tools, and I believe from what I've read that it is the Virtual SCSI driver that does not work rather then Daemon tools itself, I'm using Slysoft's freebie virtual drive program for the time being. My main issue right now is that Real VNC viewer does not seem to work, I have the Enterprise version for work and I haven't tried the server but the viewer just comes back with an error message when trying to launch it.

I also miss the quicklaunch bar as I found it extremely handy, I suppose I'll live though, other then that so far I like it well enough.

**Johnny** · January 13th, 2009

Originally Posted by jpom

I also miss the quicklaunch bar as I found it extremely handy, I suppose I'll live though, other then that so far I like it well enough.

Windows 7 has quicklaunch. You have to do this to get it back.

Right click on the taskbar
Select new toolbar in the toolbar selection
lead folder to 'Your userfolder\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch'

It is still there, just not by default.

jpom · January 13th, 2009

Slick, thanks

Mizzle · January 13th, 2009

Originally Posted by ming

I haven't seen Win7 using any less resources/storage space than Vista so far.

Huh? My RAM usage dropped from 1.3 - 1.4 gigs to about 600 megs.

**LordOfLA** · January 14th, 2009

less caching is bad, unless it is reporting memory use differently? no blank DVDs to burn and install myself.

Mizzle · January 14th, 2009

It does cache. I was talking about the RAM usage at boot.

**perris** · January 14th, 2009

Originally Posted by Mizzle

It does cache. I was talking about the RAM usage at boot.

what's the differance how much ram it uses at boot?

you want all memory to have data populated, you want a huge 'standby' list, memory that is available for immediate use if memory goes under pressure

you want very little "free memory"

Mizzle · January 14th, 2009

No I don't want it to load almost one and a half gigabytes of what seems to be utterly useless software, when 500 megs is more than enough. Windows 7 is faster than Vista and uses less memory.

**Johnny** · January 14th, 2009

I have noticed that windows 7 does not cache memory like vista does. It seems to run better because of, as it leaves more ram free.

**perris** · January 14th, 2009

Originally Posted by Mizzle

No I don't want it to load almost one and a half gigabytes of what seems to be utterly useless software, when 500 megs is more than enough. Windows 7 is faster than Vista and uses less memory.

actually you do, as long as the os is designed to release said memory and write to it just as quickly as when it's "free", and since xp the os has been able to do just that, this is called "the standby list"

best case scenario, if your OS can use as much ram as you can install, you would have as much memory as your hardrive and everything would be loaded right onto memory

that scenario by the way is the next great OS and I predicted that a long time ago

we will have enough memory and it will be pro-actively written to the hardrive after we boot and while we work until the entire data is transferred to memory

that is exactly what the OS tries to do know and since xp however there has been a processor restriction with just how much memory can be efficiently addressed...in xp before sp2 it was four gigs by design but in any event it was never more then four gigs per process

now that there is 64 bits and memory is mighty cheap expect to see this scenario real real soon...as a matter of fact those of you with motherboards that can support tons of ram you really should us the 64 bit and install as much as that board supports and watch the thing fly

**Xie** · January 14th, 2009

Originally Posted by bmclaughlin807

Why? You think they're going to go back to the XP user interface? Perhaps they should just go back to the Win 3.11 interface.

Just something sensible/useable would be ok with me.

If I wanted a DOS prompt (Win 3.11) I could do that with most any OS out. Great trolling.

-edit- for all those talking memory usage above ... from what I've read to really see the difference you MUST be running the 64-bit version of Windows 7 and have 4+GB of RAM (thus the need for 64-bit to start with).

**Bman** · January 14th, 2009

Anyone notice CCleaner does not work 100% in 7, probably due to the fact that its 64bit and 7 lol. It keeps finding the same reg files over and over, once I clean them. Weird.

**LordOfLA** · January 14th, 2009

that'll be due to registry permissions

The reg cleaner does nothing for you anyway

**LordOfLA** · January 14th, 2009

Vista caches the applications you use most. How do you think it achieves that instant launch effect? Its already loaded it, its just waiting for you to tell it to execute

The problem is the kernel needed 400MB to itself, no kernel needs to be that big

**Bman** · January 14th, 2009

I don't know if I should ask this here. The last little bit, when I download something, or just save a file somewhere, I first get a message saying I don't have permission. So I click ok, try again, it says do I want to replace the one that is there, and I hit ok. So it's giving me an error for no reason. Anyone else get this..

**LordOfLA** · January 14th, 2009

take ownership on the folder.

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kcnychief █▄█ ▀█▄ █ Joined: April 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 16,974 Reputation: 4941 Power: 279	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by ming Actually, one (bad) thing about Vista is disk space consumption. I have less 4gb available at the moment and I only have Office and a few small apps installed. I see Windows 7 consuming more than Vista rather than less. It eats up around 10gb (on 64-bit) without any other apps. A lot of people say 'why not just get a bigger HD, it's not expensive'. I haven't had my 36gb raptor HD long enough to need replacing. Nor do I want to have a massive 80+gb HD for having only an OS and a few apps installed on. Have you adjusted the size of your disk that System Restore can use, tried cleaning out Winsxs directory or the SP1 cleaner? I have listed this in potential impact on freeing up your space.
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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Tweakfiend Bad points : Finding any 3rd party firewall that works..... eventually ok using Kaspersky 7 You don't need a firewall.
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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by X-Istence This is my first impression: copy & paste ftw
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jpom OSNN Addict Joined: October 2004 Posts: 167 Reputation: 110 Power: 69	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I've been playing with it on 2 machines so far, an Asus EEE PC 1000h and a Dell Inspiron 1520. Both machines run it quite well, I was in fact a little suprised at how well the Asus did run it. Eset Smart Security runs fine on it for anti-virus/firewall and I have played a few games on the 1520 with no problems. I have encountered 2 programs that will not work, one is Daemon Tools, and I believe from what I've read that it is the Virtual SCSI driver that does not work rather then Daemon tools itself, I'm using Slysoft's freebie virtual drive program for the time being. My main issue right now is that Real VNC viewer does not seem to work, I have the Enterprise version for work and I haven't tried the server but the viewer just comes back with an error message when trying to launch it. I also miss the quicklaunch bar as I found it extremely handy, I suppose I'll live though, other then that so far I like it well enough.

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Johnny Heart Breaker Joined: January 2004 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 4,301 Reputation: 1623 Power: 135	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by jpom I also miss the quicklaunch bar as I found it extremely handy, I suppose I'll live though, other then that so far I like it well enough. Windows 7 has quicklaunch. You have to do this to get it back. Right click on the taskbar Select new toolbar in the toolbar selection lead folder to 'Your userfolder\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch' It is still there, just not by default.
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jpom OSNN Addict Joined: October 2004 Posts: 167 Reputation: 110 Power: 69	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Slick, thanks

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Mizzle Oh, now I know...! Joined: May 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 347 Reputation: 210 Power: 28	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by ming I haven't seen Win7 using any less resources/storage space than Vista so far. Huh? My RAM usage dropped from 1.3 - 1.4 gigs to about 600 megs.
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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions less caching is bad, unless it is reporting memory use differently? no blank DVDs to burn and install myself.
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Mizzle Oh, now I know...! Joined: May 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 347 Reputation: 210 Power: 28	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions It does cache. I was talking about the RAM usage at boot.
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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,043 Reputation: 4333 Power: 263	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Mizzle It does cache. I was talking about the RAM usage at boot. what's the differance how much ram it uses at boot? you want all memory to have data populated, you want a huge 'standby' list, memory that is available for immediate use if memory goes under pressure you want very little "free memory"
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Mizzle Oh, now I know...! Joined: May 2008 Location: Denmark Posts: 347 Reputation: 210 Power: 28	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions No I don't want it to load almost one and a half gigabytes of what seems to be utterly useless software, when 500 megs is more than enough. Windows 7 is faster than Vista and uses less memory.
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Johnny Heart Breaker Joined: January 2004 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 4,301 Reputation: 1623 Power: 135	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I have noticed that windows 7 does not cache memory like vista does. It seems to run better because of, as it leaves more ram free.
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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,043 Reputation: 4333 Power: 263	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Originally Posted by Mizzle No I don't want it to load almost one and a half gigabytes of what seems to be utterly useless software, when 500 megs is more than enough. Windows 7 is faster than Vista and uses less memory. actually you do, as long as the os is designed to release said memory and write to it just as quickly as when it's "free", and since xp the os has been able to do just that, this is called "the standby list" best case scenario, if your OS can use as much ram as you can install, you would have as much memory as your hardrive and everything would be loaded right onto memory that scenario by the way is the next great OS and I predicted that a long time ago we will have enough memory and it will be pro-actively written to the hardrive after we boot and while we work until the entire data is transferred to memory that is exactly what the OS tries to do know and since xp however there has been a processor restriction with just how much memory can be efficiently addressed...in xp before sp2 it was four gigs by design but in any event it was never more then four gigs per process now that there is 64 bits and memory is mighty cheap expect to see this scenario real real soon...as a matter of fact those of you with motherboards that can support tons of ram you really should us the 64 bit and install as much as that board supports and watch the thing fly
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Bman OSNN Designer Joined: July 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 8,425 Blog Entries: 105 Reputation: 1260 Power: 190	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Anyone notice CCleaner does not work 100% in 7, probably due to the fact that its 64bit and 7 lol. It keeps finding the same reg files over and over, once I clean them. Weird.

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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions that'll be due to registry permissions The reg cleaner does nothing for you anyway
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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions Vista caches the applications you use most. How do you think it achieves that instant launch effect? Its already loaded it, its just waiting for you to tell it to execute The problem is the kernel needed 400MB to itself, no kernel needs to be that big
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Bman OSNN Designer Joined: July 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 8,425 Blog Entries: 105 Reputation: 1260 Power: 190	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions I don't know if I should ask this here. The last little bit, when I download something, or just save a file somewhere, I first get a message saying I don't have permission. So I click ok, try again, it says do I want to replace the one that is there, and I hit ok. So it's giving me an error for no reason. Anyone else get this..

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LordOfLA Godlike! Joined: February 2004 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 6,818 Blog Entries: 5 Reputation: 3651 Power: 179	Re: Windows 7 - First Impressions take ownership on the folder.
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