well, I just reformatted..(again..LOL) and figured I'd give NAv 2003 a go. But I found out that the IM feature is kinda annoying,cuz when it is enabled Norton signs in on the service at startup. And I have windows messenger to NOT load at startup, so when I then start windows messenger I get a message that I got signed off cuz another media have already signed on. AM I missing something here, or do I have to have msn load at startup also? Another annoying thing is that eventhough msn is not running, the email alert pops up whenever I recieve a message. And I guess everybody knows how irritating that is when in the middle of a game. So the only solution I found is to disable this feature in Norton AV. Any other ideas?...anyone...?