If you haven't seen the new Creative ZEN yet then you aren't keeping up on the news. http://www.creative.com/products/mp3/zen/ It (the width and height) is smaller than a credit card. It comes in 4/8/16GB flavors. One sexy looking device if you ask me. Popular Mechanics had its hands on it and had nothing but good things to say about it (other than waiting until after Apple's September 5th announcement to buy one).