Second Presidential Debate

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  1. Tuffgong4

    Tuffgong4 The Donger Need Food!!!! Political User

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    how come there isn't a thread started about the presidential debate that happened tonite?
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    and so it begins...please post I will have something tomorrow
     
  2. muzikool

    muzikool Act your wage. Political User

    I'm not going to get into detail, but I watched the debate and thought that the President did a better job this time around. Kerry about mirrored his performance from the first debate, but I thought his first performance was better than last nights. While I didn't keep tally, my impression at the end was that Bush answered more of the questions than Kerry did. They both dodged questions, but looking back it appeared that more of Kerry's answers concerned what Bush has done vs. what he is going to do himself.

    My main curiosity still lies in the Iraqi war, though. I know what Bush is going to do, because it's obvious that he is committed to the task and won't waver even if the majority of Americans disagree with him. I'm not sure how that could be argued against since he has made if pretty obvious over the past months. As for Kerry, I don't feel like I've been given a solid answer as to what he will do. I thought I was going to find out in the first debate because he did talk about it, but instead I was left knowing what he was going to do only "if we are successful" in previous efforts. So I'm still left uncertain of his actions if we aren't successful in the things he mentioned. I also understand that he wants more diplomacy in the war by getting other nations involved, but I'm still unsure of how he will do that when he says the war is in "the wrong place at the wrong time." How do you get other nations involved when you refer to the war that way? I really feel like these are legitimate concerns and these are the two questions I would ask him if I had the opportunity.
     
  3. Perris Calderon

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    the following is a political announcement, and it is the opinion myself

    the best that could be said for the second bush performance is that he didn't damage his image worse then he did the first time

    if everyone remembers, before the debates, kerry was looked at as the more unlikeable candidate...that has surely taken a turn hasn't it.

    as far as bush not wavering on his policy in Irag, the opposite is true;

    he has wavered every step of the way...he's wavered with his representation of why we would go to war, wavered with what he told us he knew, wavered with the fact that he said send our children to war would be his last resort, wavered in how he told us he would conduct the war, how we would maitain the peace, wavered in what he told us were our goals......he's wavered in everything

    here's where he hasn't wavered;

    he hasn't wavered in wanting war regardless of whether his information was correct, regardless that his aids told him he would harm America for the war of his obsession...he didn't wavered when his own aids and agencies told him he was missrepresenting his "evidence", and he hasn't wavered in wanting the war in Iraq regardless of the damage his aids told him his war would do in the fight against terrorism...nor has he wavered regardless of how much damage his aids told him he would do to the safety of this country and the world.

    so you are right, those things he hasn't wavered on

    those are the only things he hasn't wavered on
     
  4. Sazar

    Sazar F@H - Is it in you? Staff Member Political User Folding Team

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    I agree that kerry needs to show more of his plans...

    however I think its unfair to question kerry on what he is going to do while giving the man who took us in there w/o a plan a clean bill of health...

    if anything, bush needs to have far more accountability because it was his mistakes that led to the predicament kerry is being asked his plans for... bush needs to stop talking about kerry's lack of a plan and explain why he should be elected knowing that he has made mistake after mistake so far...

    that is a true legitimate concern...
     
  5. Tuffgong4

    Tuffgong4 The Donger Need Food!!!! Political User

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    I do believe that after watching the debate and listening to analysts both for Kerry and for Bush that Kerry's credibility was hit pretty hard in this debate. Bush came out like a big ol' bully jumping on every Kerry statement like a man on a mission and didn't show the slow confused side he did in the first debate.

    also just noticing that a little air was taken out of the Kerry campaign after this debate...not that it was a clear cut bush win but he did do better last night especially bringing up the voting decisions Kerry has made aabout when Kerry made the statement about the limit on medical litigation Kerry wants so badly but Kerry wasn't even at the senate the day the vote took place on the topic
     
  6. j79zlr

    j79zlr Glaanies script monkey Political User

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    There wasn't a thread started because Bush obviously won this debate. ;)
     
  7. Tuffgong4

    Tuffgong4 The Donger Need Food!!!! Political User

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    that's kind of what I meant!!!
     
  8. ThePatriot

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    That would explain the lack of media coverage. They would have been spewing out the mouth by now had Mr. Kerry won this round, as they did after the first debate. :cool:
     
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  9. Tuffgong4

    Tuffgong4 The Donger Need Food!!!! Political User

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    I have not seen more than one article on every single news website(and by news site I don't mean the inquirer types) and if there is an article it is tiny and not shown that much...
     
  10. ThePatriot

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    Yes, I know! I expected to get up this morning to the usual flurry of John Kerry did this and John Kerry said that stories but lo and behold...nothing! As you stated, just a few little articles here and there. And the content! Need I say more!? Now this comes on the heels of many people arguing with me that the media is biased towards the President. I'd have to say this proves otherwise. Very, very interesting!
     
  11. muzikool

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    Interesting observations Tuffgong4 and ThePatriot.
     
  12. Perris Calderon

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    every single poll, shows Kerry won it

    sorry bout that guys...THEORIES BURDENED WITH FACTS CAN BE A TERRIBLE THING CAN'T IT

    ...the thread wasn't started here at osnn because all of the points were already made

    it's incredible that the wealthy owned media still Has people believing "the liberal media" myth (and it's a myth perpetuated by the media in case you didn't know it...oh the burden of it all)

    this is like the wolf in sheep clothing telling you to look out those bad wolf...this sort of trick works on sheep, I'm surprised it works on people
     
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  14. Perris Calderon

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    hehe...I was wondering why he blinks and looks distant just after someone asks hin a question (like a child with downs syndrome)
     
  15. ThePatriot

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    The polls show Mr. Kerry ahead by less than the margin of error, and they ALL call it a draw, and then the story pretty much drops off. There's NO denying this one perris. I'm not arguing the numbers in the polls, just the fact that the media is Mr. Kerry's bitch, not the Presidents.
     
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    nobody calls it a draw, every poll shows kerry won it...sorry...now you might claim a virtual draw, and that's true


    and again, at best, Bush didin't do as much damage as he did on his first performance.

    it's very clear thepatriot...kerrys image has soared, and of the two, he is now perceived as the more likeable of the two...this is opposite of the view before the debates, and it is a clear result of them

    and my point was simply addressing the rediculous claim that "we were silent because bush won"...which he clearly did not

    now as far as the media being pro kerry?!?

    you've got to be kidding!!!

    the wealthy woned media kills him at every chance, they repeat all Bush claims against kerry without rebutt...when a Bush blurb is broadcast, they edit it with the applause that accompanies the blurb, when a kerry blurb is broadcasr, they edit out the audience...things as obvious as this I guess is easy to miss for those that want to beleive the "liberal media myth"...85% of all newspapers endorse republican candidates, 99% of all radio is a republican info-mercial and a democrat bashing service

    most political formats on tv, concervative, the list goes on and on and on

    it is frightening how hard they are trying to get this man reelected

    I don't know what media you're reading, but this media so so pro republican, it is dangerous...we arre turning into a one party country

    you even fall for the wealthy owned media marketing of the man in office...you accept every claim he's made against kerry...it's not hard to fall for the little trick they use.

    first they call themselfs " the liberal media"

    and then they go on and bash and critisize democrats at pain of reality and facts

    it is frightening
     
  18. Perris Calderon

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    it's a joke
     
  19. ThePatriot

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    I'm just repeating what I heard and saw on the news. And the word draw was used, virtual or otherwise. Thats the first time I heard it and the first time I didn't see the news stories tripping over each other to stroke the Kerry camp. The news on my "My Yahoo" homepage comes from AP, Reuters, washingtonpost.com and USA Today. So, maybe I need to change them, because at least those four are pro-Kerry!
     
  20. ThePatriot

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    Ok, it's early yet and I haven't had a cup of coffee...the story is a joke, or the body armor? :confused: