Presidential Debate Discussion

[Shamus MacNoob]

The Patriot though your heart is in the right place, the BBC are full of ballcocks.

They write what they're told rather than what is correct.

We can say the same for all NEWS stations around the world when they dont report what we want to hear

There is no way for use here to know how people in another country see is unless we were there and then it would be only the input from the ones we talked too, and I am sure no one has talked to every single person LOL

Of course then we see a poll thats say HEY the people is spain hate the Americans , mmmmmm I wonder what the real wording of the question was and again WHO is behind it?

I am 100% sure all those people that were talked to that we see above are DAMN HAPPY to be FREE

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

I'm glad you felt like posting kermit since you have a different view from us in America and can give us a sort of impartial look without american political party ties and not seeing all the stuff we see in the news media here in america...thanks again Kermit

Your welcome and I know that what I say will not please everyone, its just not possible to do so just like trying to be the GUY under the GUN of the worlds most powerful nation.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Very good post. There's a saying that goes something like "Those who can't have a problem with those who can." or something to that effect. Different parts of the world have always had a problem with us, because of our strenth and resolve. You may be right about it not mattering much, but the image of Kerry being President is just too scary in my book.

Thank you when I say does not matter I dont mean your feelings and views , that matters very much you all have to voice your opinions its your right to do so as a human beings, and to have feelings means you care enough to spend the time speaking those very feelings and opinions , What I mean about it does not really matter is just that , in the end no matter who is in the drivers seat , it will just be more of the same , you will all move to the other side of the room, if Kerry is in the drivers seat than all the Bush'ies became what the Kerry'ies are now

Get what I mean by does not matter

Hell I am more of the war monger type by nature , I think you need to kick them where it hurts and kick them damn good and hard. I am not a bleeding heart, but I understand that there is those that see things in a softer light, kinnda like Kerry he seems more like a fairy to me anyways

 

[Tuffgong4]

Kerry he seems more like a fairy to me anyways

I almost fell over after seeing that

 

[Sazar]

Not exactly Sazar, I have to set the record straight on this one:

first of all i don't care if he served or not... it is an irrelevant fact now after all these years...

secondly you canot set the record state on this because bush DID fail to serve some of the latter portions of his time with the guard...

were bush indeed present for all of his service as required and there were no letters and memo's pointing out absences I admit I would be wrong... this is not the case however...

wrt the period in question that everyone talks about there are many things that he did not attend as well as leaving w/o proper initimation to his superiors...

bush's own released records show, as well as the valid killian documents and others... that bush in 1972/73 had some problems with attendance and his flight status lapsed...

there are gaps in his final year or so of records released... ie he missed some service...

however he was discharged honorably and this becomes a moot point... you should have included details of his flight exams where he appears to have performed rather well overall to highlight your point...

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005676

Thats good reading , the kind of stuff you just wont get the masses to read though, thats not the kind of story they run on the news its not BAD enough lol.

If someone does not care about something would they bother to talk about it?

I think all this talk about how what one guy did so many years ago is the way to get the easy vote. See most people are not very well enlightened on anything , and they will be swayed with the flash ads on tv stuff like that. Like it or not most people are sheep , they can be moved around in one direction or the other. But to say that IRAQ is all bad and its all because of IRAQ that the Americans are not liked in other places or thats why the Economy is not as strong and thats why it rained last Tuesday at 3.30 pm LOLOL

See the economy was gonna crash anyways IRAQ no IRAQ but anyone knows a good old WAR is good for the economy :0)

I think there is so much more good things that are going on in IRAQ but no one will report that , the way things are today it seems that we are given the bad news 600% more then the good news , no one seems to look at what I said about the crime rate dropping but the BAD NEWS is over 600% more in your face, this is not the doing of Mr Bush this is the WAY they all will do it.

Its not easy for some people I guess to see that all of a sudden maybe they are not liked by as many people as they think they should be liked by. But in reality its not about how Americans are being seen , its how they see Mr Bush but is it really or is it how they are BEING shown Mr Bush .

I think its the later just as it is the same when Mr Bush shows us bad stuff about Mr Kerry.

 

[ThePatriot]

I almost fell over after seeing that

Just when we're trying to be serious... LOL!

 

[ThePatriot]

first of all i don't care if he served or not... it is an irrelevant fact now after all these years...

secondly you canot set the record state on this because bush DID fail to serve some of the latter portions of his time with the guard...

were bush indeed present for all of his service as required and there were no letters and memo's pointing out absences I admit I would be wrong... this is not the case however...

wrt the period in question that everyone talks about there are many things that he did not attend as well as leaving w/o proper initimation to his superiors...

bush's own released records show, as well as the valid killian documents and others... that bush in 1972/73 had some problems with attendance and his flight status lapsed...

there are gaps in his final year or so of records released... ie he missed some service...

however he was discharged honorably and this becomes a moot point... you should have included details of his flight exams where he appears to have performed rather well overall to highlight your point...

I simply wanted to clarify the point that he did serve up to his obligation. I am familiar with the Guard Point System, I spent a number of years in the National Guard after coming off active duty. The point system was constantly juggled. If you had a commitment elsewhere and your training period interfered with it, you could always take alternate training at another time to make your points. I've done it myself. Many "lifers" got an early out for various reasons when I was in because they had the time and the points in. I missed a string of training periods because of a car accident, which would look like gaps in my record to someone unfamiliar with the system. But I made up those missed periods and then some. But you are right, in the long run it's probably a moot point.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Just when we're trying to be serious... LOL!

That was the intent to break up the beat a little ... I find these topics GREAT but sometimes we do get a little intense ( I know I do look back at the pentagon attacks thread ) My self I am the first to know that I can get very involved.

 

[Lee]

Well you not knowing who and what runs the BBC and us mugs have to pay a licence fee to them to watch any TV, that is to say pick up any TV signal from anywhere in the world, they I can assure you suck up to the government spin doctors (political) and the pc spin doctors as they will 'bite the hands that feed them'.

As for wanting to hear what I want, not true I make my own opinions based on what seems plausible.

Where the BBC is concerned it's years of hearing their lies.

 

[ThePatriot]

That was the intent to break up the beat a little ... I find these topics GREAT but sometimes we do get a little intense ( I know I do look back at the pentagon attacks thread ) My self I am the first to know that I can get very involved.

I also get too involved sometimes. I've been trying very hard not to, but haven't had much success. I need to find a game to get my attention. Half Life 2, where are you?!

 

[Sazar]

I simply wanted to clarify the point that he did serve up to his obligation. I am familiar with the Guard Point System, I spent a number of years in the National Guard after coming off active duty. The point system was constantly juggled. If you had a commitment elsewhere and your training period interfered with it, you could always take alternate training at another time to make your points. I've done it myself. Many "lifers" got an early out for various reasons when I was in because they had the time and the points in. I missed a string of training periods because of a car accident, which would look like gaps in my record to someone unfamiliar with the system. But I made up those missed periods and then some. But you are right, in the long run it's probably a moot point.

I have no problems with bush's service...

i also have no problems with kerry's service, or bob doles, or max clelands or john mcCain's or any other veteran of any war we have fought...

 

[Tuffgong4]

Bob Dole wants you all to calm down!

 

[ThePatriot]

I have no problems with bush's service...

i also have no problems with kerry's service, or bob doles, or max clelands or john mcCain's or any other veteran of any war we have fought...

I agree on all points.

 

[Sazar]

Bob Dole wants you all to calm down!

while bob dole gets all hopped up on viagra?

 

[ThePatriot]

while bob dole gets all hopped up on viagra?

HEY! If Bob Dole wants to take viagra and tell all us wanna-be's to calm down, Bob Dole will! Who are you all to second guess Bob Dole?! Only Bob Dole can question the actions of Bob Dole! God Bless Bob Dole!

 

[Sazar]

I used to kinda like bob dole once... now i think he's a douche-bag...

but I spose it might just be an OD of da little blue pill...

 

[Tuffgong4]

I Just have never heard someone say their own name as much...I think he likes hearing it...maybe he should take less viagra and have his wife just repeat his name over and over!

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Well you not knowing who and what runs the BBC and us mugs have to pay a licence fee to them to watch any TV, that is to say pick up any TV signal from anywhere in the world, they I can assure you suck up to the government spin doctors (political) and the pc spin doctors as they will 'bite the hands that feed them'.

As for wanting to hear what I want, not true I make my own opinions based on what seems plausible.

Where the BBC is concerned it's years of hearing their lies.

When I say we can say that of any news station ..... was not meaning you were not hearing what you wanted as in you you you get what I mean lolol

 

[Tittles]

Wow this thread is long already. Ummm I dont have time to right much but did anybody notice bush was drinkin air? His glass of water wasnt water after awhile so he was drinkin air. I like bush cause he is funny and a Redneck . I hate Kerry!!!!