Pentium v Athlon

[Friend of Bill]

Quote: "That Pentium 4 runs cool BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO AS MUCH WORK"

Correct, they just work smarter!

 

[Iceman]

come on guys let's keep it nice no more

 

[chastity]

Originally posted by catch23
That Pentium 4 runs cool BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO AS MUCH WORK

Don't you understand that? Pentiums do 3 operations per clock cycle...AthlonXPs do 9 ... when your Pentium 4 gets hot..it does even less ...my AthlonXP just lets itself get warmer ... I don't let my CPU get over 50°C...the one time it has is when I tried stuffing some power cords in a corner and the fan lost power.

By the wya, Grinder is the arrogant ******* if you'd been here longer, you would understand...

n00bs..heh

I'm insereted in where you found how many operations per clock cycle both the AMD and Intel processor's do or at least point me to the general area that you found that information. As to why one is better then the other who really cares as long as everybody is happy with what they have or will be getting.

 

[mbunny]

Its a known fact that the old quadpumped 400 P4's could not keep up with the doublepumped 266 AthlonXP's.

The reason why people start threads like this is to try and educate people as to why you would purchase such a CPU.

I am a AMD man... I like to think i know what i'm doing with my comp and so far i have had no issues with my 1800+... i've been running it for about 3 months now.

The Pros for a AMD are that it is far cheaper than a P4. You can't deny this fact. And that it works far more effieciently than a P4. The tradeoff is that you have to think carefully about cooling. Its a slight generalisation but it takes less effort to run a P4 than it does to run an AMD. I prefer the little extra work i do for my AMD cause by doing this i'm learning something new and its somewhat interesting.

I have only had 1 chip die on me and that was my old 1.2ghz TBird... This was completely my fault... i turned on the computer before i had attached the heatsink... slightly moronic mistake but it happens... but with that i got my 1800+ =)

Although it usually ends up being a flamewar... these threads are ideally meant to educate.

Sorry that you had such a bad experience with your AMD's SeekAndDestroy but i encourage you to give them another go. You just happened to be very unlucky with your experience.

When you get an AMD you most definetly need to think about cooling whether you like it or not. Although the aluminium retail fan they give you may do the job for a few days... it most definetly will not do the job in the long run. That is why i purchase the OEM rather than the retail chip. I highly dislike the aluminium hsf they give me. I got myself a pure copper hsf (the heat pipe one) and changed the original 60mm and attached a 80mm into it with a fandaptor. I run at full load 24/7 so i see temps of high 40's... I don't have an issue with this cause it isn't reaching 65 yet. 65 is my temperature limit. I do not want to see my cpu go any higher than 65.

The new 533 P4's however are quite nicely done but again... Its not worth that much money. The costs of the 533 cores are extortion... I'll stick with my with double pumped 266 AthlonXP 1800+ that gets hot.

 

[Grinder714]

Well, mbunny...IF AMD is selling a hsf that doesn't properly cool, and eventually causes cpu to die, I would say that is a defective product.

 

[mbunny]

The aluminium hsf does the job... but this assumes you are able to maintain the ambient temp. With summer in the US the temps are obviously climbing up rapidly and of course your ambient is bound to increase.

It keeps the cpu under its engineered maximum (90... heh....)

 

[Grinder714]

Originally posted by mbunny
The aluminium hsf does the job... but this assumes you are able to maintain the ambient temp. With summer in the US the temps are obviously climbing up rapidly and of course your ambient is bound to increase.

It keeps the cpu under its engineered maximum (90... heh....)

70 in here in summer and 65 in winter....inside my house.

AMD had to figure that it isn't 70 everywhere, everyday.

But I get your point, I hope you understand mine. As both of us are entitled to our own opinion.

 

[Sazar]

was seekanddestroy using the retail hsf?

he said he was using yada yada 7000 rpm yada yada...

my friend bought his 1800+ about 4 months ago with a retail and his computer is not only on all the time... but runs perfectly well...

I am going to try and avoid the whole intel v/s amd issue because I am an amd person and I refuse to get into the bs about its too hot and it will blow up...

you HAVE to have the right motherboard whenever you are planning your stuff... the whole long story seekanddestroy had posted he never said he changed the board... what is there to say that all the chips fried because of the board?

granted that asus is a good mobo maker... BUT that does not mean a bad apple can sneak in once in a while...

concerning my rig... I applied the right amount of thermal paste... didn't use the stock crap that came on the cooler... I also got my OEM cpu because I wanted to buy my OWN heatsink... and I bought one that had the best cfm/noise ratio and I am very happy... I had a coolermaster copper that kept my cpu cooler but it was a tad loud...

now.. seekanddestroy says he is expressing his opinion... thats a horror story.. I don't know how the hell so many chips can go kaput.. makes no sense.. SOMETHING is the problem and it cant be the chips... if he is doing everything right.. then some other hardware must be spazzing out...

my rig hums along queitly and the cpu temps barely peak over 40C... cept when I had oc'd my machine to 1.7+ gigs was trying out stuff...

pentiums have larger dies than amd.. and they do not heat up as much.. yes... but IF you are building a machine you should KNOW what kind of equipment you need... some coolers that you use for older cpu.s may NOT work well for the newer gen...

if the retail hsf is defective what is stopping anyone from telling amd that it does not work well? and why would amd NOT change their product to show this?

mind that amd is a small company compared to intel and is not trying to lose customers....

 

[Grinder714]

Originally posted by Sazar
if the retail hsf is defective what is stopping anyone from telling amd that it does not work well? and why would amd NOT change their product to show this?

Actually, I was wondering the same thing.

And yes the CPU die on the Northwood is a tad bigger, bigger will dissipate heat better over a larger surface. But the whole CPU itself is much smaller.


Here's a pic of mine....during the build.

 

[jawshoouh]

i'd have to agree w/ sneekanddestory about AMD...i've had problems with them ever since i had a K6. one of my conspiracy theory acquaintences suggested that microsoft is in cahoots with intel, and gives intel a "leg up" on the competition in how it interacts with its OS. not that i believe it (he also thinks the US never landed a man on the moon ), but heck, why not?

also, about catch's sophomoric behavior...i know, i know, it's entertaining sometimes--like watching one of those sideshow carnie freaks at the circus--but isn't that what the ignore user feature is for? for those of you who are really that annoyed by the seemingly endless amounts of horse manure that flutters out of his cake-hole, i'd suggest using it

 

[Grinder714]

Thought that only worked in PM's? no?

 

[jawshoouh]

Originally posted by Grinder
Thought that only worked in PM's? no?

oh, i dunno...i'm one of those people that find watching his rants amusing. reminds me what the state of the world is in. that's a shame, tho...there should be a site-wide ignore feature.

 

[Grinder714]

You enjoy watching, and I'm usually inolved in them.

 

[jawshoouh]

free entertainment, my man...since i can't browse porn at work, this is the next best thing

well...almost. ok, not really. but the pure entertainment value is worth it, nonetheless have a great day!

 

[Grinder714]

I always do...Especially when I'm NOT at work.

 

[SeekAndDestroy]

you HAVE to have the right motherboard whenever you are planning your stuff... the whole long story seekanddestroy had posted he never said he changed the board... what is there to say that all the chips fried because of the board?

I apologize for not mentioning the boards i had used. I have used 3 different boards with each of the Athlons that went bad. The first CPU, the Athlon 1.33GHz, eventually went bad in an Abit KT7A-RAID, the FIRST 2000+ went bad in the Asus A7V266E, and the 2nd 2000+, (3rd over all), went bad in the board that I am using currently...an Abit KX7-333R. The 1700+ I'm using now is runnning flawlessly, for the time being, in the same board that the 2nd 2000+ choked in. I seriously doubt that the motherboard had anything to do with the cooking of the CPU's.