sorry for the play on words This is what happened: I rebooted after a day or two being online and almost 4 days being up with just the OS. I went to relogin to the net and nothing happens. No dialog box for my leet ISDN login. I look in the Network Connections folder through the start menu and it's gone. I figured it uninstalled itself (I have seen Windows do this before in older versions e.g. Win9x.) I run the wizard and choose the manual setup and usually gives me 3 options dialup, LAN and broadband. Well the first 2 are grayed out. That's not good for me as I have leet dialup (ISDN). I figure maybe the modem has gone bonkers and check the device manager (The good old right click My Computer) and to my disbelief the Device Manager window is totally blank, empty! I have never seen this before. Since I have a ghost of a bare install of XP for this machine I reinstall in about 5 minutes. I kinda narrowed it down to a few programs install that may have caused this and didn't reinstall them. I also turn down the CPU to it's normal speed. Ran an antivirus (NAV 2002) and found nothing. Then to only have this happen again after a day this time. I wanted some opinions on this, some ideas, and/or similar experiences. I'm currently in IRC. Now I'm running only the XP firewall. (It was Norton's Personal Firewall 2002) Win XP has been fully updated. MY box: P4 1.5gHz @ 1.68gHz (was at this till this morning) 384 pc 800 rambus abit th7-raid lite-on cd-rw 16x10x40x 5x toshiba dvd rom western digital 60gb udma100 7200rpm maxtor 40gb udma100 7200rpm western digital 30gb ata66 5400rpm vertro geforce3 mx400 64mb sdram core @ 207 / memory @ 334mhz detonator v23.10 beta avitron 17" flat screen tiger jet pci 128k isdn-u adapter @ 128000bps SB live! 5.1 windows xp corp. pro (5.1 build 2600) Any help will cherished!