missing computer?

Discussion in 'Windows Desktop Systems' started by DarkMaster, May 14, 2003.

  1. DarkMaster

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    why cant i see any other computer on my network (in the network nieghbourhood), and they cant see mines either. what have i done wrong? i cant even ping them. one comp is winxp and the other is win98se. i cant even ping them. any ideas?
     
  2. oDin

    oDin xp m0nk3y

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    how is your network set up??
     
  3. Crave

    Crave Guest

    do u have the win XP firewal enabled?? if so turn it off!
     
  4. DarkMaster

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    both computers are connected to an ethernet hub with Netgear pci adapters. im using the tcp/ip, and NetBeui protocols.
    winxp machine has been given an ip of 192.168.0.1
    win98se is 192.168.0.2 and the internet gateway is set to 192.168.0.1 where ICS has been enabled on the winxp machine.
    i think thats it, oh, and i have gone through the netsetup thing on both comps with the same options selected.
    im sure thats it now. (i still think of my self as a noob to networking so if u see anything wrong just tell me)
    thanx again

    and printer and file sharing is used on both comps
     
  5. DarkMaster

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    the firewall is off, and i even removed zonealarm, and still nothing.
     
  6. jonifen

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    I wouldnt recommend using NetBEUI for WinXP to Win98SE networking. Instead I would enable NetBIOS over IPX/SPX - works everytime :)

    also double check that the correct range is used for the IP (keep them in the same range - 192.168.1.x (replacing x with a number between 1 and 254). Also make sure they're in the same workgroup too.
     
  7. DarkMaster

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    thanx, i'll try that.
    they are on the same work group, and are on the same ip range.
     
  8. DarkMaster

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    oh well didnt work... thanx anyways for trying...
    still cant see them in the network neighbourhood.
    they can see themselves.
    when i use the ping command i get a message
    "request timed out"
    if that was any help. my network has been down for a few days now, and a hard drive format is looking like the only solution (sigh)
    im still open to any suggestions.
     
  9. Un4gIvEn1

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    How about some screenshots of the network settings in each?
     
  10. DarkMaster

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    which settings?
     
  11. DarkMaster

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    the pic is too big, but i'll just say the settings
    winxp
    client for microsoft networks
    file and print sharing
    NWlink netbios
    NWlink IPX/SPX/Netbios compatible transport protocol > internal network number 00000000, frame type "Auto-Detect"
    Internet protocol (TCP/IP) >IP 192.168.10.1, subnet mask 255.255.255.0
     
  12. DarkMaster

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    win98se
    client for microsoft networks
    netgear fa311/312 pci adapter
    IPX/SPX-Compatible Protocol
    NetBios Support for IPX/SPX compatible protocol > Netbios over IPX/SPX, bindings - Client for microsoft networks, File and printer sharing, netbios support for IPX/SPX - compatible protocol, frame type "Auto"
    TCP/IP > ip 192.168.10.2, subnet mask, 255.255.255.0, bindings - client for microsoft networks, file and printers sharing, set as default protocol, allow binding to ATM - "yes"
    File and printer sharing for microsoft networks
    everything else is probably default settings
    i hope that was helpful
     
  13. Un4gIvEn1

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    Do you have an administrator password set for XP? This has been known to cause problems if it is not set or is blank.
     
  14. DarkMaster

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    i have a password, and so do all admins
     
  15. jumpy

    jumpy Guest

    Everything seems alright. Sorry to insult your intelligence, but just make sure it's straight cat5 rather than crossover :)
     
  16. DarkMaster

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    everything is fine there. just must be the settings.
     
  17. jonifen

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    On WinXP, u want the following components...

    file and printer sharing for ms networks
    client for ms networks
    TCP/IP

    on TCP/IP properties, put the IP in as 192.168.0.1, subnet as 255.255.255.0

    click advanced (still on TCP/IP properties) and go to "WINS" tab and select "Enable NetBIOS over TCP/IP". Click OK on everything til you're back at desktop.


    On Win98SE machine, u want the following components...

    file and printer sharing for ms networks
    client for ms networks
    IPX/SPX
    NetBIOS
    TCP/IP

    go to IPX/SPX properties and select "Enable NetBIOS over IPX/SPX". Click OK

    go to TCP/IP properties, put in the IP as 192.168.0.2, subnet as 255.255.255.0

    choose the "gateway" tab (I think its labelled that), and enter in 192.168.0.1

    choose the "DNS" tab and enter in that machine's name (for example "WIN98SE" - or whatever the name for your Win98SE machine is) and enter in the workgroup name in the domain field.
    Enter 192.168.0.1 in the primary DNS field.

    Click OK until you're back at desktop - chances are you will need to reboot as its Win98SE :p

    Should work fine, those are the same settings I've used in work to get Win98SE and WinXP networked.
    If it doesnt work at first, try turning off both machines, wait a moment and turn on the WinXP machine. When that reaches the desktop, turn the Win98SE machine on and try then.

    Best of luck :)


    edit:
    one more thing... set a user account on the WinXP machine with the same name and password as is used on the Win98SE machine, although you can then use any account on WinXP, and it should work OK.

    I've found that sometimes it needs it, sometimes it doesnt - I've never figured out why though.


    another edit:
    if you still cant get it going, or are unsure about where things are, next time I do a Win98SE machine onto a network with WinXP, I'll take screenshots of the settings and put them on my website - it could be extremely useful for many people including yourself :)
     
  18. DarkMaster

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    thanx, this info looks promising.
    again thanx for your help. i'll post my results when i try the new settings
    :happy:
     
  19. DarkMaster

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    wot am i doing WRONG!!! i followed each instruction, and nothings changed. i used to have zonealarm pro, but uninstalled it. maybe its still working in the background. how can i check, and how can i fully remove it?

    thanx for the attempt :)
     
  20. vdubVR6

    vdubVR6 Guest

    Enable NetBEUI on both machines(not sure if XP still uses it). That should allow your 98se box to talk to XP



    opp, someone said that already. Sorry