government recording of internet activity?

[ming]

how bout cow pr0n??

Quick, Heny hide!

 

[Aprox]

So in other words they got bigger fish to fry than any of us that might happen to dl a mp3 or a few hundred. Its more about terrorism and actual threats than just dl stuff. or atleast thats my take on it.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Of course they dont have the time or the notion to go after that, sure the ones that are dl'ing thousands and doing it all the time might be a target but not the Gov they need to look for signs and paterns they need to bait and trap and chase and hunt down "badguys" what the hell would any one of you say after someone raped your 8 year old girl? or killed a 5 year old that lived next door? Or had one of your parents killed by a terrorist? Bet you would say oh its ok we need to let people be "free"

NO YOU WOULD NOT!! you would want them all round up strung up and hung.

 

[Xie]

The biggest problem I find is what constitues a "badguy"? What one person might take as a "badguy" might be different then the governments take. How long till your on camera anywhere and you do anything "illegal" and cops fall out of the sky and arrest you on the spot?

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Good if I do somthing that is wrong then and get caught thats my fault "cant do the time dont do the crime" and no worries I dont see it at a point that it has gotton any where near the point some are trying to make it seem, so what if they are watching and up holding the law, dont matter to me not one bit.

 

[Xie]

Good if I do somthing that is wrong then and get caught thats my fault "cant do the time dont do the crime" and no worries I dont see it at a point that it has gotton any where near the point some are trying to make it seem, so what if they are watching and up holding the law, dont matter to me not one bit.

Hasn't gotten to that point yet. What happens if/when it does?

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

There will be less trouble in the streets less crime less murder?

 

[Xie]

There will be less trouble in the streets less crime less murder?

In the US? Surely not. We encourage crime to feed news. We are a nation that depends on fear = $.

 

[falconguard]

sorry Xie , faulty logic there. If that was true then all crime would be originated by the media. I agree that the media devalues the world with lead in stories about how we are going to hell in a handbasket, but to say that they are responsible for this is in no way correct. Besides, if the media pressented only happy stories, no one would believe it. Catch-22 situation.

 

[Maveric169]

Good if I do somthing that is wrong then and get caught thats my fault "cant do the time dont do the crime" and no worries I dont see it at a point that it has gotton any where near the point some are trying to make it seem, so what if they are watching and up holding the law, dont matter to me not one bit.

There is only 1 major problem with that therory. Nearly every law has another law that contradics it, or is so vauge that everything you do can be considered illegal, depending on how one chooses to interpete the law. If you harmlessly bump into another person on a crowed sidewalk, you could be charged with assult.

Now if all the laws were straight forward, black and white and not left upto someone elses interpetation of the law, then I would agree with you.

 

[Xie]

There is only 1 major problem with that therory. Nearly every law has another law that contradics it, or is so vauge that everything you do can be considered illegal, depending on how one chooses to interpete the law. If you harmlessly bump into another person on a crowed sidewalk, you could be charged with assult.

Now if all the laws were straight forward, black and white and not left upto someone elses interpetation of the law, then I would agree with you.

The point I was unable to put into words.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Well I know some laws are wishy/washy and there is always the way that we look into or at something. But I think we all knon that it is not "all" and "every" law that is that flakey , that is a broad blanket statement that makes it all too easy .. law is very complex and needs to have aspects that allow for adjustments because as in every thing nothing is black and white its all shades of grey. Nothing is as simple as you would like it to be.

 

[Maveric169]

I still have to disagree Kermit. We still have laws on the books that get used that date back to the 1800's, when it suits a lawyers needs. I guarentee that you cannot find a single law that there is not another law that will contradict it, or a law that is so vauge that a lawyer can twist it to contradict it.

Here is an example that I had to deal with not so long ago. The motor vichlecal code states that no cars exaust system can produce sound that exceeds 50db at 25 feet. Pretty simple, yet the same law later says that an officer can use his own judgement to know what 50db is at 25 feet and that no offical equipment is required to test that.

So one day stitting in a parking lot of a gas station a cop pulls in walks up and ask for my license, registration, and insurance. Long story short, he writes me a ticket for excessive noise for my "FACTORY STOCK" exaust system. The only thing I had was a crome tip on it to make it look good. In court I argued that the exaust system was the factory exaust system, and was told by the judge that I have 1 week to prove that I was not exceeding the 50db limit at 25 feet, I countered asking the officer to prove I was, judge said if the officer thinks it is, than it is.

So I had to spend $85 to get an offical state inspection (no other test was good enough, had to be from DOT) of the sound from my exaust system, the result was 27 db at 25 feet. So I returned to court, evidence in hand and the judge tossed the case. But I still had to pay $85, plus another $20 total for 2 court appearances for a total of $105 for nothing! All because the law is too vauge and open to interpetation.

Here is the best part, the same cop wrote me the same ticket as I was leaving the court parking lot! Lucky for me I got the same judge, who remembered me and through the case out again, otherwise I would have had to pay out another $105 but it still cost me $10 more dollars for the court costs. This doesn't even include the lost wages for time I had to take off work.

The bottom line off all this is: If you blindly let "big brother" (whatever form it takes) have too much power and control, they will use it, just because they can. Power corrupts, total power totally corrupts.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

You cant stop them from takeing it either way your story sucks for you and no one said it was a perfect system and you can disaggree all you like. It does not change anything, I for one am happy someone is out there at least doing something to make things safer , if in the mean time things are not perfect then I will know things are normal when all of a sudden things are perfect I will be worried and wonder on what planet I am on.


peace

 

[Maveric169]

You cant stop them from takeing it either way your story sucks for you and no one said it was a perfect system and you can disaggree all you like. It does not change anything, I for one am happy someone is out there at least doing something to make things safer , if in the mean time things are not perfect then I will know things are normal when all of a sudden things are perfect I will be worried and wonder on what planet I am on.


peace

Ummm, last I check this was still a free democratic country and we can prevent it from happening. Would you be so happy about it when the FBI comes knocking on your door, imprisions you with out being charged, all because you went to a website that auto-redirected you to a website that is (unknown to you) run by a terrorist supporting organization? You have no rights, no legal counsel, nothing to defend yourself with other than your word? How would you feel about that? Would you be so glad that something is being done to make things so much safer?

And if you don't think that is a reality, just take a look at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. All kinds of people there that have had nothing to do with terrorism (I am sure there are a few that do have terroist connections) yet there they are. They have no legal rights, nothing. They can be held till hell freezes over and there is nothing they can do about it. But right now they are only focused on a certian nationality group, do you really think anything would be differnent if it was just ANYONE.

See the big picture problem with all this is that the government wants to do all this without ANY oversight (reasons of national security), no checks and ballances. And there for no way to argue the point that your innocent. I think that is my biggest objection to all of it. Problem is you can't have both.

 

[Shamus MacNoob]

Hey last time I checked you lived in the USA here in Canada we are fine thanks :0)

Maybe you need to look hard and long into what is the so called "land of the free" deal you guys keep talking about.

 

[Brad]

USA is far from democracy.

 

[dave holbon]

It’s always been so; the design of operating systems (all) relies not on any deletion as no operating system has the ability to delete anything ever. They just mark the file space as available and may or may not overwrite it or parts of it. Therefore it’s a misnomer to talk about deleting anything on any computers storage device/s.

Deletion is a redundant word in IT, it is in fact non-existent, and you can’t delete anything. This is in fact true even if you have overwritten the data may times, some clever bastard with a scanning electron microscope can still recover it even years later. Computers just can’t delete anything by design.

Tracking of internet activity is now consuming billions of dollars in the western world partly because of 911 but mostly because of the “open” society in which some of us live. This can be attacked by small groups with “the knowledge” relatively easily and represents a direct threat to our civilisation, so what would you do, how far would you go in defence of your children?

I have no problem with government agencies tracking Internet use by suspect individuals and if asked would give them any help I could. It’s a war we are involved in here one way or another. The cold war has given way to the war of words as expressed or delivered by the Internet. If this is not so why were “embedded journalists” by the dozen employed in the recent conflagration in Iraq and still are?

 

[Maveric169]

Hey last time I checked you lived in the USA here in Canada we are fine thanks :0)

Maybe you need to look hard and long into what is the so called "land of the free" deal you guys keep talking about.

Well I am glad to hear that the U.S. Government stops it activities at the borders of other countries. We all know they would never do anything like that.

 

[LeeJend]

Hey I hope they record my internet activity. Then when their supervisors see all the porn files on the agents computers they will get fired. Then the supervisors will get fired for not being able to keep their team staffed. Then no more government, no more taxes.

YEEHAA!