I have finally made the time to get panther onto that G4 (there are old threads for this). It seemed to go through as an upgrade rather than a clean install though... But once it was there the password resetting was a breeze, because I had OSX and the install disc Now there is one more task for this OSX n00b to perform before passing the boxen on - I'd like to cleanse it of all data and also the 9.2.1 OS which is still visible as an option to boot from.... Any advices from experienced mac users? Doh - just seen there's an option utility on the install disc! However it took an age to make that install - what are folks recommendations? Is the best practice to redo the install? Or can I get around it with some informed deletions or system actions?