Well rather than say the hell with it and take it back to the store Sazar has suggested I start a new thread and ask for help with a problem I having. (fear sets in) Here we go: This is a freah install of WinXP Pro. All Updates for M$. ATI Radeon 9600 XT AGP 8X BIOS Version 008.015 128 megs of ram Catalyst 4.7 Mobo Gigabyte GA-7VT600 1394 CPU AMD MOBILE 2500+/266 Athlon XP RAM DDRAM 2x256MB PC3200 Seems I am getting really crappy fps in UT2k4... I have tried several settings in UT2k4 /taking down all the textures /adding some /disabling others in various ways. I have seen no change. I am seeing a frame rate of 12fps in UT2k4 on Onslaught maps ... not much if at all better on other maps. Suggestions?? Other info is that I did have an ATI Radeon 9000 in this machine prior but I did uninstall it.