ok, a friend of mine bought a 9600pro and is thinking of going to a Ti4800SE. i told him that the 9600pro is the newer card (dx9) compared to the Ti (dx8). Tell me in benchmark wise e.g. 3dmark 2001 and 2k3, which would be better. i mean obviously the 9600 would piss during the 2k3 benchmark. how else would i tell him that the 9600pro is MUCH better then the Ti4800SE? you guys/gals know the specs for both? and another q. he is using the ti4800 at 4x. wouldnt that be a Ti4200 then?