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**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

Not really a problem, more of a query.

For some reason, in one browser the tools appear in a drop-down at the top of the thread (How I always thought that they were supposed to) displayed with fancy-pants JavaScript/DHTML/Whatever, but in a different browser, they appear at the bottom in a standard HTML drop-down menu.

The two browsers actually happen to use the exact same rendering engine, and the only real difference is the name.. any idea's why it's doing this?

**NetRyder** · May 31st, 2004

Mozilla/Firefox/Camino?

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

Safari and Shiira

**NetRyder** · May 31st, 2004

Oh ok...hadn't heard of Shiira before.

I suspect it might have something to do with the vB source code checking the name of the browser through the user-agent string, and displaying the appropriate "style" based on that. Shiira, not being a major player in the browser market, might not be on the list, so it might be treating it as a (old) browser that doesn't support the fancy features, although it actually is possible.
If that is, in fact, the problem...there might be 2 solutions. One would be to edit the vB source code to include Shiira (doubt EP's going to have the inclination to do this =P), or another is to see if it's possible to change the user-agent string of Shiira to include the word "Safari" (I know this can be done with Firefox using an extension).

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

Well, I thought that too, but I think that the vB3 developers can't be that naive, surely?

Plus looking at the UA strings, it doesn't seem that would cause it, although it's still a possibility..

Safari
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.7

Shiira
Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.2 (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari) Shiira/0.9.2

I'll try changing Shirra to match Safari and see if it makes any difference.

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

Haha, no way. I changed it to match the Safari string exactly, and it works. I'm sorry, but that is stupid. *bangs head on desk*

**~bk** · May 31st, 2004

*off-topic*

What happened to the option where you could delete your own post?

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

You still can, unless becomming a legacy mod has messed that up (an overlooked tick-box can do such terrible things)

Moved to Fixed

**NetRyder** · May 31st, 2004

Originally Posted by SPeedY_B

but I think that the vB3 developers can't be that naive, surely?

Guess they are.

Oh well, simple little fix.

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

We should use PunBB.

**~bk** · May 31st, 2004

Originally Posted by SPeedY_B

You still can, unless becomming a legacy mod has messed that up (an overlooked tick-box can do such terrible things)

Moved to Fixed

I guess so.

**rushm001** · May 31st, 2004

Originally Posted by ~bk

*off-topic*

What happened to the option where you could delete your own post?

I seem to have lost that ability too! New thread started in Current problems.

Originally Posted by SPeedY_B

Haha, no way. I changed it to match the Safari string exactly, and it works. I'm sorry, but that is stupid. *bangs head on desk*

Wakes up next day with sore head

**Khayman** · May 31st, 2004

Wouldn't the world be better if we all used IE

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

I aint touchin' that one with a 10ft barge pole.

**Khayman** · May 31st, 2004

Go on! touch it you know you want to

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

*reaches out*

*resists*

No! Damn you!

**Khayman** · May 31st, 2004

It tastes like strawberrys and candy

**SPeedY_B** · May 31st, 2004

You lie

**X-Istence** · June 1st, 2004

Hrm, i wonder where in the vB code this would exist. BRB SPeedY_B

**X-Istence** · June 1st, 2004

My browser is now advertising itself as Shiira and it seems to be fixed. It could however also be vB catching my spoofing. Let me know SPeedY_B.

May 31st, 2004	Top \| #1
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	Thread Tools Not really a problem, more of a query. For some reason, in one browser the tools appear in a drop-down at the top of the thread (How I always thought that they were supposed to) displayed with fancy-pants JavaScript/DHTML/Whatever, but in a different browser, they appear at the bottom in a standard HTML drop-down menu. The two browsers actually happen to use the exact same rendering engine, and the only real difference is the name.. any idea's why it's doing this? 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

May 31st, 2004	Top \| #2
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Mozilla/Firefox/Camino? http://kunal.kundaje.net

May 31st, 2004	Top \| #3
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	Safari and Shiira 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

May 31st, 2004	Top \| #4
NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Oh ok...hadn't heard of Shiira before. I suspect it might have something to do with the vB source code checking the name of the browser through the user-agent string, and displaying the appropriate "style" based on that. Shiira, not being a major player in the browser market, might not be on the list, so it might be treating it as a (old) browser that doesn't support the fancy features, although it actually is possible. If that is, in fact, the problem...there might be 2 solutions. One would be to edit the vB source code to include Shiira (doubt EP's going to have the inclination to do this =P), or another is to see if it's possible to change the user-agent string of Shiira to include the word "Safari" (I know this can be done with Firefox using an extension). http://kunal.kundaje.net

May 31st, 2004	Top \| #5
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	Well, I thought that too, but I think that the vB3 developers can't be that naive, surely? Plus looking at the UA strings, it doesn't seem that would cause it, although it's still a possibility.. Safari Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.7 Shiira Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/125.2 (KHTML, like Gecko, Safari) Shiira/0.9.2 I'll try changing Shirra to match Safari and see if it makes any difference. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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May 31st, 2004	Top \| #6
SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	Haha, no way. I changed it to match the Safari string exactly, and it works. I'm sorry, but that is stupid. bangs head on desk 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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~bk I <3 Adriana Joined: November 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,768 Reputation: 1230 Power: 150	off-topic What happened to the option where you could delete your own post? +bk.designs; + notebook + deviantART __________ // art is literacy of the heart <3

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SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	You still can, unless becomming a legacy mod has messed that up (an overlooked tick-box can do such terrible things) Moved to Fixed 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Originally Posted by SPeedY_B but I think that the vB3 developers can't be that naive, surely? Guess they are. Oh well, simple little fix. http://kunal.kundaje.net

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SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	We should use PunBB. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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~bk I <3 Adriana Joined: November 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 3,768 Reputation: 1230 Power: 150	Originally Posted by SPeedY_B You still can, unless becomming a legacy mod has messed that up (an overlooked tick-box can do such terrible things) Moved to Fixed I guess so. +bk.designs; + notebook + deviantART __________ // art is literacy of the heart <3

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rushm001 In the beginning...... Joined: September 2002 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,480 Reputation: 1370 Power: 162	Originally Posted by ~bk off-topic What happened to the option where you could delete your own post? I seem to have lost that ability too! New thread started in Current problems. Originally Posted by SPeedY_B Haha, no way. I changed it to match the Safari string exactly, and it works. I'm sorry, but that is stupid. bangs head on desk Wakes up next day with sore head

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Khayman I'm sorry Hal... Joined: January 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,514 Reputation: 1210 Power: 191	Wouldn't the world be better if we all used IE "I'm on the server side. I don't know what side you're on"

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SPeedY_B I may actually be insane. Joined: March 2002 Location: Midlands, England Posts: 15,800 Reputation: 2877 Power: 307	I aint touchin' that one with a 10ft barge pole. 1. SPeedYB.co.uk 2. CamPortal.co.uk 3. MacIRC.co.uk

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