Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone

**ming** · May 15th, 2007

Let's have it.

**perris** · May 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by ming

Let's have it.

the iphone looks like an incredible machine but from what I read they are trying to force you to switch carriers to get it, it's only provided to one of them, this to me makes it a no option

second thing is Steve refuses to allow any other apps to run other then the one his company writes, this to me is a no opt also

I will be very surprised and disappointed if I see this marketing strategy work for them, I am hoping people will be insulted and boycott the hardware because they don't want to be led around on a lease

but it is an incredible machne, I don't think the microsoft version is even close

**madmatt** · May 15th, 2007

The iPhone has nothing on Windows Mobile besides the interface. What good is a fancy interface if you can't do anything with it? No Push, no third party applications, NO 3G, no keyboard (only a touchscreen).

Honestly, what good is the interface if it's not functional. As a business professional it serves no use. I'll take a device from HTC over the iPhone any day.

All flash and no go.

**perris** · May 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by madmatt

The iPhone has nothing on Windows Mobile besides the interface. What good is a fancy interface if you can't do anything with it? No Push, no third party applications, NO 3G, no keyboard (only a touchscreen).

Honestly, what good is the interface if it's not functional. As a business professional it serves no use. I'll take a device from HTC over the iPhone any day.

All flash and no go.

I agree with your entire post, however that interface is REALLY attractive

it looks easy to emulate but it's so smooth in the videos I am really impressed.

anyway, off to work, cookies later when I can give them out again

**Petros** · May 15th, 2007

Madmatt's post pretty much sums it up. A lot of people (including myself) are looking at the iPhone and wondering what it has outside of a slick interface. The Hermes wins in the functionality department big time, so I'm sticking with that.

Personally, I feel it's the new Razr: not cutting edge, but stylish and attractive enough for the masses to buy them in huge quantities.

**muzikool** · May 15th, 2007

From Apple's recent shareholder meeting:

Jobs did acknowledge that the company is still struggling to decide if third-party developers will be able to create software that will run on the iPhone. It’s a decision Apple “is wrestling with,” according to Jobs.

I think it will be a big mistake if 3rd party apps are ultimately denied. Otherwise I think the iPhone will be outstanding.

As for the keyboard -- the fact that there isn't one is a feature. It may not end up being a great feature, but I applaud them for trying something different aside from cramming all those buttons on there. Beyond aesthetic purposes, one of the primary benefits is that the entire phone can be upgraded since it's all software.

Is it just me or shouldn't this thread wait until the iPhone is released? Right now it's all speculation.

**madmatt** · May 15th, 2007

It's not speculation. The phone and ROM has already been set in stone. Anything, such as third party application support will be added in a ROM that is released following general release.

**muzikool** · May 15th, 2007

I meant speculation in reference to how the phone operates, the usability, etc. There have been a few hands-on reviews, but they all had limited time with the phone.

ABEC [LU] · May 15th, 2007

I am tossed between the new Blackberry Curve and the iPhone only becasue the iPhone is WIFI... i will probably end with the curve as I am a market analyst with that being the standard in the indsutry i work but the wifi I do wish the curve had... free interent in otherwords...

trainmaster77 · May 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by perris

the iphone looks like an incredible machine but from what I read they are trying to force you to switch carriers to get it, it's only provided to one of them, this to me makes it a no option

second thing is Steve refuses to allow any other apps to run other then the one his company writes, this to me is a no opt also

I will be very surprised and disappointed if I see this marketing strategy work for them, I am hoping people will be insulted and boycott the hardware because they don't want to be led around on a lease

but it is an incredible machne, I don't think the microsoft version is even close

to settle this ... unlocked versions will be available ..but at a substantial premium.

**ming** · May 15th, 2007

Do ppl want a PHONE or an MP3 player? which of the two comes first? if it's mp3, then ppl will be listening to music like 24/7 and when it comes to receiving a call... the battery dies.

I only see it as a PDA with a hard drive for storage. Yes it may have some additional features, and yes it IS stylish. BUT, what can you do on this that you can't already do with a PDA?

**Aprox** · May 15th, 2007

Why cant you have both? And if you toast your battery because you are not paying attention then thats your problem. I imagine most people that buy a iPhone are buying it as a toy. Most people who buy Smartphones are usually buying it as a tool, since its more business orientated. Personally, I fall into a minority I have been using smartphones for a couple years just because of preference. I like that you can do so much more with them, but don't have to deal with the size of a PDA.

Sure the iPhone will have a better UI, something the Smartphones needs... but I think they are two entirely different markets, granted with some crossover but the intension's I believe are different.

**muzikool** · May 15th, 2007

Originally Posted by Aprox

Why cant you have both? And if you toast your battery because you are not paying attention then thats your problem. I imagine most people that buy a iPhone are buying it as a toy. Most people who buy Smartphones are usually buying it as a tool, since its more business orientated. Personally, I fall into a minority I have been using smartphones for a couple years just because of preference. I like that you can do so much more with them, but don't have to deal with the size of a PDA.

Sure the iPhone will have a better UI, something the Smartphones needs... but I think they are two entirely different markets, granted with some crossover but the intension's I believe are different.

I agree with pretty much your entire post.

**madmatt** · May 15th, 2007

I don't. Wait, I do.

**Khayman** · May 16th, 2007

Having never used either, i have to say the iPhone and all its advertising looks a lot like the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome

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ming OSNN Advanced Joined: June 2003 Location: UK Posts: 4,252 Reputation: 1160 Power: 162	Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Let's have it. Curent system: Intel Quad Core 9450 \| 4GB RAM \| WD Raptor 36GB \| nVidia 8800GT 512mb

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Originally Posted by ming Let's have it. the iphone looks like an incredible machine but from what I read they are trying to force you to switch carriers to get it, it's only provided to one of them, this to me makes it a no option second thing is Steve refuses to allow any other apps to run other then the one his company writes, this to me is a no opt also I will be very surprised and disappointed if I see this marketing strategy work for them, I am hoping people will be insulted and boycott the hardware because they don't want to be led around on a lease but it is an incredible machne, I don't think the microsoft version is even close IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone The iPhone has nothing on Windows Mobile besides the interface. What good is a fancy interface if you can't do anything with it? No Push, no third party applications, NO 3G, no keyboard (only a touchscreen). Honestly, what good is the interface if it's not functional. As a business professional it serves no use. I'll take a device from HTC over the iPhone any day. All flash and no go.

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,258 Reputation: 4333 Power: 291	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Originally Posted by madmatt The iPhone has nothing on Windows Mobile besides the interface. What good is a fancy interface if you can't do anything with it? No Push, no third party applications, NO 3G, no keyboard (only a touchscreen). Honestly, what good is the interface if it's not functional. As a business professional it serves no use. I'll take a device from HTC over the iPhone any day. All flash and no go. I agree with your entire post, however that interface is REALLY attractive it looks easy to emulate but it's so smooth in the videos I am really impressed. anyway, off to work, cookies later when I can give them out again IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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Petros Thief IV Joined: May 2003 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,038 Reputation: 1647 Power: 156	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Madmatt's post pretty much sums it up. A lot of people (including myself) are looking at the iPhone and wondering what it has outside of a slick interface. The Hermes wins in the functionality department big time, so I'm sticking with that. Personally, I feel it's the new Razr: not cutting edge, but stylish and attractive enough for the masses to buy them in huge quantities.

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muzikool Act your wage. Joined: December 2001 Location: Texas, USA Reputation: Yes, please. Posts: 7,626 Reputation: 2900 Power: 232	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone From Apple's recent shareholder meeting: Jobs did acknowledge that the company is still struggling to decide if third-party developers will be able to create software that will run on the iPhone. It’s a decision Apple “is wrestling with,” according to Jobs. I think it will be a big mistake if 3rd party apps are ultimately denied. Otherwise I think the iPhone will be outstanding. As for the keyboard -- the fact that there isn't one is a feature. It may not end up being a great feature, but I applaud them for trying something different aside from cramming all those buttons on there. Beyond aesthetic purposes, one of the primary benefits is that the entire phone can be upgraded since it's all software. Is it just me or shouldn't this thread wait until the iPhone is released? Right now it's all speculation.

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone It's not speculation. The phone and ROM has already been set in stone. Anything, such as third party application support will be added in a ROM that is released following general release.

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muzikool Act your wage. Joined: December 2001 Location: Texas, USA Reputation: Yes, please. Posts: 7,626 Reputation: 2900 Power: 232	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone I meant speculation in reference to how the phone operates, the usability, etc. There have been a few hands-on reviews, but they all had limited time with the phone.

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ABEC [LU] OSNN Junior Addict Joined: December 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 40 Reputation: 10 Power: 92	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone I am tossed between the new Blackberry Curve and the iPhone only becasue the iPhone is WIFI... i will probably end with the curve as I am a market analyst with that being the standard in the indsutry i work but the wifi I do wish the curve had... free interent in otherwords...

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trainmaster77 OSNN Senior Addict Joined: February 2005 Location: St. Louis/Chicago Posts: 509 Reputation: 170 Power: 95	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Originally Posted by perris the iphone looks like an incredible machine but from what I read they are trying to force you to switch carriers to get it, it's only provided to one of them, this to me makes it a no option second thing is Steve refuses to allow any other apps to run other then the one his company writes, this to me is a no opt also I will be very surprised and disappointed if I see this marketing strategy work for them, I am hoping people will be insulted and boycott the hardware because they don't want to be led around on a lease but it is an incredible machne, I don't think the microsoft version is even close to settle this ... unlocked versions will be available ..but at a substantial premium. Care for some tea?

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ming OSNN Advanced Joined: June 2003 Location: UK Posts: 4,252 Reputation: 1160 Power: 162	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Do ppl want a PHONE or an MP3 player? which of the two comes first? if it's mp3, then ppl will be listening to music like 24/7 and when it comes to receiving a call... the battery dies. I only see it as a PDA with a hard drive for storage. Yes it may have some additional features, and yes it IS stylish. BUT, what can you do on this that you can't already do with a PDA? Curent system: Intel Quad Core 9450 \| 4GB RAM \| WD Raptor 36GB \| nVidia 8800GT 512mb

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Aprox OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: August 2004 Location: California, USA Posts: 2,735 Blog Entries: 1 Reputation: 2036 Power: 142	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Why cant you have both? And if you toast your battery because you are not paying attention then thats your problem. I imagine most people that buy a iPhone are buying it as a toy. Most people who buy Smartphones are usually buying it as a tool, since its more business orientated. Personally, I fall into a minority I have been using smartphones for a couple years just because of preference. I like that you can do so much more with them, but don't have to deal with the size of a PDA. Sure the iPhone will have a better UI, something the Smartphones needs... but I think they are two entirely different markets, granted with some crossover but the intension's I believe are different.

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muzikool Act your wage. Joined: December 2001 Location: Texas, USA Reputation: Yes, please. Posts: 7,626 Reputation: 2900 Power: 232	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Originally Posted by Aprox Why cant you have both? And if you toast your battery because you are not paying attention then thats your problem. I imagine most people that buy a iPhone are buying it as a toy. Most people who buy Smartphones are usually buying it as a tool, since its more business orientated. Personally, I fall into a minority I have been using smartphones for a couple years just because of preference. I like that you can do so much more with them, but don't have to deal with the size of a PDA. Sure the iPhone will have a better UI, something the Smartphones needs... but I think they are two entirely different markets, granted with some crossover but the intension's I believe are different. I agree with pretty much your entire post.

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 297	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone I don't. Wait, I do.

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Khayman I'm sorry Hal... Joined: January 2002 Location: England Posts: 5,514 Reputation: 1210 Power: 194	Re: Your Opinions: iphone vs smartphone Having never used either, i have to say the iPhone and all its advertising looks a lot like the Emperor's New Clothes syndrome "I'm on the server side. I don't know what side you're on"

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