Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile

**NetRyder** · March 29th, 2007

I remember seeing a preview of this sometime last year, but a public build is now finally available.

Deepfish is a new type of mobile information browsing experience, aimed at preserving the rich layout and full form of documents on mobile devices while providing novel ways of effectively navigating that content on small screens. Deepfish's unique interface enables you to zoom in and out of page, quickly getting to the areas you are interested in without screen length after screen length of scrolling. And because the layout is preserved, navigation menus, lists of search results or news headlines, and other elements that might have been bent so thoroughly to fit the usual single column layout that they were no longer legible can now be browsed simply and easily. A consequence of Deepfish's multi-resolution approach to browsing pages is that it loads a thumbnail of pages initially and then only what is needed for more detail when requested or in the background as you browse the initial the view, resulting in substantially quicker load times for most pages.

http://labs.live.com/Deepfish/default.aspx

**NetRyder** · March 29th, 2007

I just posted a mini-review with screenshots on my blog earlier today.

http://www.kunal.kundaje.net/2007_03...57532743322192

**ray_gillespie** · March 29th, 2007

Wow! That looks cool - now if only I had a device capable of using it...

Maybe in the summer when my phone contract runs out

**Geffy** · March 29th, 2007

My PDA chokes opening the calendar most days so I'll have to wait for this one in WM6 which is apparently confusingly based on CE5 though CE6 is also being released soon

or at least thats what I read somewhere

**NetRyder** · March 29th, 2007

Originally Posted by Geffy

My PDA chokes opening the calendar most days so I'll have to wait for this one...

You have the SPV M600, don't you? That has the same OMAP850 processor as my MDA/Wizard. I'm guessing the carrier-specific bundleware in the extended ROM might be slowing things down. You should consider doing a backup, hard-resetting the device, and immediately soft-resetting it before the extROM gets installed. That helped to significantly speed up my device (although it was never as slow as you're describing), and I have more free memory now to install apps that are actually useful.

WM6 which is apparently confusingly based on CE5 though CE6 is also being released soon or at least thats what I read somewhere

Yeah, that's true. Odd decision, really. I always thought "Crossbow" would become WM 5.x and "Photon" would become WM 6. But then "Crossbow" became WM 6 although it's built on WinCE 5.

**madmatt** · March 29th, 2007

http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/...ther-name.aspx

**Geffy** · March 29th, 2007

Originally Posted by NetRyder

You have the SPV M600, don't you? That has the same OMAP850 processor as my MDA/Wizard. I'm guessing the carrier-specific bundleware in the extended ROM might be slowing things down. You should consider doing a backup, hard-resetting the device, and immediately soft-resetting it before the extROM gets installed. That helped to significantly speed up my device (although it was never as slow as you're describing), and I have more free memory now to install apps that are actually useful.

Yeah, that's true. Odd decision, really. I always thought "Crossbow" would become WM 5.x and "Photon" would become WM 6. But then "Crossbow" became WM 6 although it's built on WinCE 5.

I am beginning to wonder if its all caused by my simply copying the contents of my old memory card to the new one, some software I installed and have since removed seems to still be hanging around as well. I am tempted to simply try resetting it and starting over with it clean. Only downside is that I'll have to figure out what the hell I did with my MS VoiceCommand license key

Mind you, its probably coming up to upgrade time, so I could just get a new pda phone.

howardtheduck · May 15th, 2007

This is a subject probably long gone.... Did any body get to try out the Beta Version of Deep Fish? Was it worth anything? Just curious...

http://labs.live.com/deepfish/

**Electronic Punk** · May 15th, 2007

I know someone who worked in the same office as the project lead so I am getting them to prod hard and get me on to the beta.

**Petros** · July 1st, 2007

What the eff?!

iPhone has this sweet browser that looks a whole lot (functionally) like Deepfish. If anyone knows someone at Microsoft (preferably Bill Gates) that can get this thing moving, get them to open up the beta again.

Apple will murder them in no time with their sweet mobile browser (and I'm no Apple fan, but what I've seen of that browser is 100% awesome).

**madmatt** · July 1st, 2007

The beta has gone to invite-only. =\

Great product though. I would imagine you would see this built into IE Mobile in WM7.

**Electronic Punk** · July 9th, 2007

It really needs an update, was trying to use it recently and there is so much potential but so much missing!

Lawman82 · July 10th, 2007

Originally Posted by Electronic Punk

It really needs an update, was trying to use it recently and there is so much potential but so much missing!

So, your in the beta test? I Moto Q and was think about loading it up after it comes out.

**perris** · July 10th, 2007

Originally Posted by Geffy

I am beginning to wonder if its all caused by my simply copying the contents of my old memory card to the new one, some software I installed and have since removed seems to still be hanging around as well. I am tempted to simply try resetting it and starting over with it clean. Only downside is that I'll have to figure out what the hell I did with my MS VoiceCommand license key

Mind you, its probably coming up to upgrade time, so I could just get a new pda phone.

might be your internet files, check those out and delete, if that's the problem set it to only keep those no more then three days

then try to get all your programs and files onto your memory stick but you can't use the memory stick for ie, it's not stable if you do that

**Geffy** · July 12th, 2007

I wiped the whole device and restarted and its been better. I think it also helps not having the MissingSync app on it but it now means that to synchronise I have to dump my Address Book contents to vCard, then split the single vCard into multiple vCards cause MS Outlook still can't sodding read a multi object vCard file, then copy that into the Parallels Windows VM, import the vCards into MS Outlook, then sync the phone with ActiveSync.

As you can imagine I don't sync all that often.

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile I remember seeing a preview of this sometime last year, but a public build is now finally available. Deepfish is a new type of mobile information browsing experience, aimed at preserving the rich layout and full form of documents on mobile devices while providing novel ways of effectively navigating that content on small screens. Deepfish's unique interface enables you to zoom in and out of page, quickly getting to the areas you are interested in without screen length after screen length of scrolling. And because the layout is preserved, navigation menus, lists of search results or news headlines, and other elements that might have been bent so thoroughly to fit the usual single column layout that they were no longer legible can now be browsed simply and easily. A consequence of Deepfish's multi-resolution approach to browsing pages is that it loads a thumbnail of pages initially and then only what is needed for more detail when requested or in the background as you browse the initial the view, resulting in substantially quicker load times for most pages. http://labs.live.com/Deepfish/default.aspx http://kunal.kundaje.net

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile I just posted a mini-review with screenshots on my blog earlier today. http://www.kunal.kundaje.net/2007_03...57532743322192 http://kunal.kundaje.net

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ray_gillespie OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 1,692 Reputation: 1420 Power: 151	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile Wow! That looks cool - now if only I had a device capable of using it... Maybe in the summer when my phone contract runs out

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Geffy OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,805 Reputation: 1490 Power: 213	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile My PDA chokes opening the calendar most days so I'll have to wait for this one in WM6 which is apparently confusingly based on CE5 though CE6 is also being released soon or at least thats what I read somewhere  • blog • tumblog • lastfm • flickr • #rubyonrails • @twitter "I could be replaced with a very small shell script"

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NetRyder Tech Junkie Joined: April 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 13,256 Reputation: 4260 Power: 294	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile Originally Posted by Geffy My PDA chokes opening the calendar most days so I'll have to wait for this one... You have the SPV M600, don't you? That has the same OMAP850 processor as my MDA/Wizard. I'm guessing the carrier-specific bundleware in the extended ROM might be slowing things down. You should consider doing a backup, hard-resetting the device, and immediately soft-resetting it before the extROM gets installed. That helped to significantly speed up my device (although it was never as slow as you're describing), and I have more free memory now to install apps that are actually useful. WM6 which is apparently confusingly based on CE5 though CE6 is also being released soon or at least thats what I read somewhere Yeah, that's true. Odd decision, really. I always thought "Crossbow" would become WM 5.x and "Photon" would become WM 6. But then "Crossbow" became WM 6 although it's built on WinCE 5. http://kunal.kundaje.net

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madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 294	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/...ther-name.aspx

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Geffy OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,805 Reputation: 1490 Power: 213	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile Originally Posted by NetRyder You have the SPV M600, don't you? That has the same OMAP850 processor as my MDA/Wizard. I'm guessing the carrier-specific bundleware in the extended ROM might be slowing things down. You should consider doing a backup, hard-resetting the device, and immediately soft-resetting it before the extROM gets installed. That helped to significantly speed up my device (although it was never as slow as you're describing), and I have more free memory now to install apps that are actually useful. Yeah, that's true. Odd decision, really. I always thought "Crossbow" would become WM 5.x and "Photon" would become WM 6. But then "Crossbow" became WM 6 although it's built on WinCE 5. I am beginning to wonder if its all caused by my simply copying the contents of my old memory card to the new one, some software I installed and have since removed seems to still be hanging around as well. I am tempted to simply try resetting it and starting over with it clean. Only downside is that I'll have to figure out what the hell I did with my MS VoiceCommand license key Mind you, its probably coming up to upgrade time, so I could just get a new pda phone.  • blog • tumblog • lastfm • flickr • #rubyonrails • @twitter "I could be replaced with a very small shell script"

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howardtheduck OSNN Junior Addict Joined: May 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 23 Reputation: 10 Power: 70	Microsoft's "Deep Fish" - I live in a cave... This is a subject probably long gone.... Did any body get to try out the Beta Version of Deep Fish? Was it worth anything? Just curious... http://labs.live.com/deepfish/

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Electronic Punk The Last High Joined: December 2001 Location: London Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 51 Reputation: 3652 Power: 346	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile I know someone who worked in the same office as the project lead so I am getting them to prod hard and get me on to the beta.

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Petros Thief IV Joined: May 2003 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,038 Reputation: 1647 Power: 153	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile What the eff?! iPhone has this sweet browser that looks a whole lot (functionally) like Deepfish. If anyone knows someone at Microsoft (preferably Bill Gates) that can get this thing moving, get them to open up the beta again. Apple will murder them in no time with their sweet mobile browser (and I'm no Apple fan, but what I've seen of that browser is 100% awesome).

July 1st, 2007	Top \| #11
madmatt Bow Down to the King Joined: April 2002 Location: New York Posts: 13,312 Reputation: 4090 Power: 294	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile The beta has gone to invite-only. =\ Great product though. I would imagine you would see this built into IE Mobile in WM7.

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Electronic Punk The Last High Joined: December 2001 Location: London Posts: 18,506 Blog Entries: 51 Reputation: 3652 Power: 346	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile It really needs an update, was trying to use it recently and there is so much potential but so much missing!

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Lawman82 I see bad people Joined: May 2006 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 525 Reputation: 130 Power: 77	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile Originally Posted by Electronic Punk It really needs an update, was trying to use it recently and there is so much potential but so much missing! So, your in the beta test? I Moto Q and was think about loading it up after it comes out.

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perris OSNN Godlike Veteran Joined: January 2002 Location: new york Posts: 12,231 Reputation: 4333 Power: 288	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile Originally Posted by Geffy I am beginning to wonder if its all caused by my simply copying the contents of my old memory card to the new one, some software I installed and have since removed seems to still be hanging around as well. I am tempted to simply try resetting it and starting over with it clean. Only downside is that I'll have to figure out what the hell I did with my MS VoiceCommand license key Mind you, its probably coming up to upgrade time, so I could just get a new pda phone. might be your internet files, check those out and delete, if that's the problem set it to only keep those no more then three days then try to get all your programs and files onto your memory stick but you can't use the memory stick for ie, it's not stable if you do that IT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IT'S WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO

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Geffy OSNN Veteran Addict Joined: March 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7,805 Reputation: 1490 Power: 213	Re: Microsoft Deepfish Preview for Windows Mobile I wiped the whole device and restarted and its been better. I think it also helps not having the MissingSync app on it but it now means that to synchronise I have to dump my Address Book contents to vCard, then split the single vCard into multiple vCards cause MS Outlook still can't sodding read a multi object vCard file, then copy that into the Parallels Windows VM, import the vCards into MS Outlook, then sync the phone with ActiveSync. As you can imagine I don't sync all that often.  • blog • tumblog • lastfm • flickr • #rubyonrails • @twitter "I could be replaced with a very small shell script"

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